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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm

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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.

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clmallar

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October 29, 2007, 5:11 pm PDT

Sad sad..

I feel for the children! Their mother is delusional! For her to cheat and have a baby by another man and make her then husband take care of a child that wasnt his..man wayy wrong! She's the cause of all this crap--and her daughter(s) are goign to grown up with great anger and resentment towards her....Selina's "father" shouldn't have thrown everything out out her like that though--it was not selina's fault that her mother is a lying and manipulative person! Hopefully they can somehow reconcile--since he has thought of her as his own for soo long--maybe she can realize that his anger towards her mother and the siuation caused him to cut her off soo harshly. But man that allred is a crazy woman! NOO man should pay for a child that isn't his! A man should be able to enter into a voluntary relationship with the child if in the event (like those poor guys) they find out the children they took care of and loved for so many years arent theirs. sad sad situation--God bless those girls--and enrique too--he need to heal his wounds so he can help to heal selina.... *go head* dude that fought for that paternity code in georgia--glad to see you stand your ground against that "lawyer"...man she's as delusional as maria.....*maybe her husband should check his paternity........*

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dougdd

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October 29, 2007, 5:12 pm PDT

YOUR COURAGE IS APPLAUDED

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I am Mia the current wife. I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I dont feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess. I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter. I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them. It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband. As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum. I have never participated in tearing anyones family apart. I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children. Its my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turns 18. Ill stand by that!

AS man that has lived the nightmares of these issues.........I applaud you for standing behind your husband and supporting him.

I have NEVER known what is now alleged to be my daughter and she is 23. The mother has lived all over the US and suddenly after knowingly depriving me of a relationship with the only child I alleged to ever father she now wants to be rewarded with child support.

I have no clue if this child is mine , I have never met her or had a phone call etc. This is truly a devastating issue in my life just as your husband is dealing with.

A very good friend of mine has been ordered to pay the biological father child support after the mother didnt want to care for the child.

We both had numbers to be candidates for the show you were on.......but the women would not participate as I am certain they would not want to face ridicule like Maria faces. The sad but true issue is Maria should have told the daughter , not Enrique.........but I doubt she would so he was left to do it.

Maria actually caused ALL the hurt by lies and deception.........the daughter while upset should be told the loving man who served as Dad,,,,,,, never wanted the hurt for her or him.

Where is the BIO dad? Adoption to me should NOT be an option until he knows that this child is his and he makes a decision. This child has a right to know him and make a decision for herself.

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stjbulldog

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October 29, 2007, 5:12 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I just wanted to add my opinion about the parent trap. I dont understand how the states can determine although your not the father you must still pay child support. I believe if you already have a relationship with that child you should continue that relationship but should no longer be forced to pay child support if thats not your child. Of course the upstanding great guy thing to do would to continue to pay child support but you should NOT be forced to pay by the state. Women are just as responsibile as men if not more so but to trap another person. People have found another way to screw their children up. It is getting scary how bad the world is getting messed up. Thanks for reading my opinion.

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crmain

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October 29, 2007, 5:12 pm PDT

Shame on the mother

Poor Selina may pay the emotional price for the rest of her life for the stupidity, dishonesty, and deception of her mother. Enrique has been painted as the "bad guy" here when he was doing what he was supposed to be doing, trusting his wife and being a dad. It certainly isn't his fault that he was deceived. Do I agree with the way he chose to tell Selina? Absolutely not. I would hope it was in a moment of frustration, hurt, and pain that caused him to break the news the way he did. Glorida Allred is all wet on this one. I would hope that Selina could have a relationship with a father figure (Enrique) who loves her as though she were his own. However, to have him paying for years for his ex-wife's lies is an outrage. Shame on her. She caused this and is now responsible for her daughter's pain. She wants to place the blame on her ex-husband and his wife because she still can't face the fact that she screwed up!

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gewandt

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October 29, 2007, 5:12 pm PDT

paternity fraud

Shame on this woman for lying to this man and her daughter. The truth is, we should have mandatory testing on every child born so that we can have a higher level of confidence on the paternity of our children.

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October 29, 2007, 5:12 pm PDT

What about the child? What about children like me?

I feel for Selena. This is most definately something she should never have had to go through. What gave him the right to just abandon her!? I had a somewhat similar situation, with one exception: it was my biological father who DID the abandoning - to get out of child support, and to get out of sharing a settlement from a lawsuit that my younger sister and I would have otherwise been entitled to. Everyone is focused on the money, but what about us kids? You have no idea what it feels like to be signed over because of money - I was always told that I am priceless, only to find out that my monetary value was demoted to $50,000 and whatever child support was being paid. You may not be the father, but you acted like one. Should you have to pay? I don't know, but should you leave that child in the dust? Absolutely not! She did nothing wrong, she cannot help, nor choose her paternity, no more than she can help her race. The biological father? He should be informed. Men everywhere get out of being good parents to their real kids, like mine did, and it needs to stop.

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lilroo25

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October 29, 2007, 5:13 pm PDT

I'm confused

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1. Mr. Smith did exceptionally well against Gloria Allred - congrats
2. Gloria Allred's point that once fathers "assume" the role they should continue that responsiblity should only be valid if that father "knowing assumed" the role having all relevant information in front of them. This is not the case for Enrique or Mr. Smith.
3. Maria - you should be ashamed and you have have foregone any right to criticize how Enrique has hurt Selena until you accept responsiblity that you have created this situation entirely
4. Enrique - get over the hurt, get over the anger, get over the money - do the right thing by this beautiful young lady and step up. She loves you and deserves better of you

What does Enrique have to step up and do? Pay for the child that isn't his? I agree he shouldn't have told her that way, but I don't think he has the responsibility to care for her in the same way that her real dad needs to! The real father is also being penalized because he isn't getting to know his daughter. He isn't able to contribute to the slate of who she is and that is a real tragedy.

Good for you Mia for pointing this out and helping both of them to get to the truth. She needed to know.

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October 29, 2007, 5:14 pm PDT

Shocked at every angle

Making this as short as possible:
Firstly, I would like to say how sad I am for the children involved. The biological daughter seems to have been abit forgotten. Inevitably, the children lose.
Secondly, the mother should be hanging her head in shame of what she has done to her children as this was her creation. Can't say that I saw any real remorse from her about anything. Way too much smiling and nodding to Gloria's coments.
Third, 'Dad, go make up with your daughter'. DO NOT leave this undone. You made a massive mistake (we all make mistakes by the way) but you can help heal the scars. Don't wait til it's too late. She may not be yours biologically but you raised her as yours. You have history.
Fourth....Thank you Ms. Gloria Allred. You have just given millions of women permission, being a representative of the legal system, to go ahead and fraudulantly put a mans name on the birth certificate. They might get away with it. Heck, just go pick a guy and have a relationship with him for awhile. Get pregnant, doesn't matter who donates the sperm right? Who cares? Now, put the guy you want on the birth certificate as father and you should be good to go. Don't tell me that our legal system condones this. And then you keep saying that it's all about the child but you are WRONG. Do you think he would have stayed in the relationship had he known that she had cheated? Maybe, maybe not but he was never given the 'choice' to stay, support and father this child. That should have been his right.

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gcole23

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October 29, 2007, 5:14 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Enrique's wife is responsible for this whole mess. She should never have mentioned her suspicions. Enrique is heartless. It's all about the money. Didn't he bond with this child after 10 years??? As for Carnell....what kind if relatiionship does he have with his "child". Another disappointed, hurt child???

These men only thought of their egos and money. The feelings of a child who had nothing to do with this whole mess never entered their thoughts.

How about the men's bilogical children who are taken from do you care about them? Yes is is sad that this young lady had to endure pain, but it was her mother who has done this to her Wake up she lied now the only winner here is her when she is cashing her support check!!! I commend his wife she is a great women and i think you would change your mind if someone was taking 55% of your earnings PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

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daisyirene

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October 29, 2007, 5:14 pm PDT

Get Real

Maria LIED from day one that Selina was her husband's child. He should NOT have to continue paying for a child that isn't his. Selina will always remind him that for 10 years his wife passed her off as his. Human nature is human nature. Personally a reminder of betrayal is hard to overcome. Selina will be better off not having him in her life. Right now she is being manipulated into making her "step-dad" feel guilty for his wife's affair and lying in the first place. Get over it Maria and let him truly be free of you and your betrayal. You already have another man in your life so let him be.

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