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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:16 pm PDT

women should be held accountable

I think women that lie and cheat ought to be held accountable for there actions.The father that is not the biological one should not be the one put into jail for non-support of the child ,but the mother that knew this and lied should be serving some sort of sentence .After all the man is spending time in jail for something he didn`t do,all on the say-so of the woman that did.

as far as support .....no he should not have to be made to pay but if he wants to continue a relationship with this child should be allowed to.In the end he will always give this child anything she asks for within reason,in this it is support whether it`s advice or clothes,or a trip for school,.Most times he will always help this child,given a chance to do so,and without the law mandating it as so.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:16 pm PDT

mem paying child support to an illigitimate children

About todays show,

I am horified at this fiesty women on your platform, defending the woman who holds the x- husband to pay child support.

My opinion, I believe this poor man who is the victim, should demand to find the son-of a bitch who impregnated his exe wife, and demand the bastard to pay back child support frrom the days she brought the baby home.

I don't blame the husband for getting raving mad. If this ding bat of a woman could come to grips with the fact that she lived a lie and in the end her daughter would pay the price!! Stupid bitch!

I hubby I say, go for it - stand your ground - at this stage, think you've been there for her, now the kid is grown up and the bitch can get a job!

O god help justice to prevail, and forgive my choice of words.

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October 29, 2007, 5:17 pm PDT

Honesty is the best policy...

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I am Mia the current wife.  I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I dont feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess.  I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter.  I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them.  It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband.  As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum.  I have never participated in tearing anyones family apart.  I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children.  Its my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turns 18.  Ill stand by that!  
Honesty is the best policy... I pray healing y'all's ways from Maria's lie for all, including her, and especially for Selina and her sister. My first thought is Emotional and Life Skill Education K-12 DAILY classes of age appropriate topics since parents cannot teach what they have not learned... To avoid THE CYCLE of dishonesty and inappropriate behavior etc. To teach consequences and responsibility for choices. Life is like economics: CHOICE. Enough bad choices can lead to personal emotional and/or financial bankruptcy; often with far reaching implications involving others and society as a whole.

That's why fornication even is considered a mistake in the Bible because the natural consequence of sex, less artificial means, are children and if not a good time for a child's arrival can cause a world of harm to child. The fourth R needed in schools is respect for self and others "and" for people to learn that sex is REPRODUCTION and not something to toy with in fornication or adultery or even if married IF child won't be received with smiles all around. Sex IS NOT first and foremost benign ENTERTAINMENT... sex is REPRODUCTION first and foremost. REPRODUCTION has been transformed into entertainment not by nature and by people playing around with nature. Sigmund Freud said suppressed emotions can lead to frantic desires. I believe since often times men and women don't grow up learning how to just hug, or be friends, that they both don't know what to deal with feelings for one another. Again, why we need Emotional and Life Skill Education DAILY classes K-12 because everyone needs to get real that we need to develop our EQ as much as our IQ. Having children is not a right per se'; having children is a responsibility and a privilege earned being responsible.

Enrique mentioned Maria breaking two of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. Everybody gets their scriptures in a twist over THE TEN COMMANDMENTS' THOU SHALT NOTS so in New Testament it was simplified in GOLDEN RULE "To do unto others as you'd have others do unto you," Matthew 7:12. As a natural consequence of practicing THE GOLDEN RULE you'd then likely obey THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. The Bible is considered the BOOK OF TRUTH that has been held up in courts of law for persons to promise to TELL THE TRUTH. As Enrique said, there are two commandments Maria's adulterous affair broke, second being lying about Selina being his daughter. This is why those commandments are there because of the immense damage that can ensue when one or two or more or all are, or any, are broken. The reason for divorce is most times rooted in dishonesty on some level at its core. Divorce is considered not an ideal situation, as a rule, because of the fallout on children such as predators exploiting children of divorce etc.

Selina IS, of course, the one hurt most by Maria's lie. Yet, "Honesty IS the best policy," John 4:24. I believe that Maria should have told Enrique and the judge that the child support for Selina isn't required for him to still see his younger daughter. Maria stepping up to the plate of honesty might have resulted in Enrique not feeling exploited by Maria. However, learning that Enrique is a doctor I think he should have known to seek counseling for himself and his daughters on how to approach both his youngest and older daughter about Maria's lie. However, people are not perfect, and to white wash over Maria's inappropriate conduct that led to all this is not the answer either and Dr. Phil acknowledged Maria began all this yet said, too, that children come before money.

So, is honesty the best policy for immigrating and remaining in USA? Is honesty the best policy when filling out a birth certificate? Is honesty the best policy to tell a ten year old about WHY her dad is devastated and going through a grieving process of his own so might not be acting like himself? YES. Maybe not explicit details yet, "Selina, I lied to your dad about something very important and it is because of my lie that your father isn't acting like himself." I think the BIGGER message everyone needs to grasp from all of this is HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. A pastor of a church recently said, "For forgiveness there must be repentance." Which brings us full circle to Matthew 6:9-15 and Dr. Phil's Life Law #9. Maria and Enrique went from defensive to both being remorseful for pain caused to Selina. The money that both Maria and Selina say matters most to Enrique I think their actions are saying matter more to them than Enrique. However, I think Selina is basing her worth on child support since her mother is.

I applaud Carnell Smith's "Man4Justice" and feel that he held his own with Gloria Allred who seems to be projecting her aggravation for dead beat biological dads onto Enrique and Carnell Smith. I think the person who should step up to the plate, financially, for Selina is the biological dad. I don't think Enrique feeling he's not responsible financially means he doesn't love Selina and it just is what it IS. A VERY bad situation that Maria put herself, Enrique, their oldest daughter and Selina into leading to a grieving process for all concerned. People don't always act rationally when grieving whether an adult or a child so major decisions are discouraged during first six months of a shocking event. Enrique isn't Selina's biological dad through no fault of either Selina or him.

Dr. Phil talks with the importance of forgiveness in Life Law #9. Mistakes with true remorse we are asked to forgive as we ask God to forgive us, in Matthew 6:9-15 and Yom Kippur and Shia Day of Atonement etc. And, also, God says to leave vengeance to God when person who hurt us isn't remorseful or when their remorse doesn't seem to be enough to heal. Time will heal the best it can. Un-forgiveness erodes a person's peace of mind.

Yet, even after forgiveness, it is the biological dad who is responsible financially for Selina that I feel both Maria and Selina should pursue for child support in the future and for biological dad to repay Enrique as well. Otherwise, it will always be a sore spot with Selina caught in the middle through no fault of her's or Enrique's. Enrique and men are entitled to their feelings, too. Maria and Selina DO deserve child support yet not from Enrique. I believe forgery on government documents like birth certificates can be as much as a $10,000 fine with possibility of imprisonment too since a federal offense, figuratively and literally. Maria proved she wasn't perfect. Enrique proved he wasn't perfect in how he handled knowledge of learning of Maria's mistakes. And, guess what, none of us are perfect and we all make our own personalized mistakes.

Unless, and until, people no longer skate by after being dishonest we ARE teaching children "dishonesty is the best policy" and everyone should look the other way. NO! Dishonesty IS NOT the best policy and "honesty is still the best policy" for men and women. I think shame "and" accountability serves a purpose to deter persons from repeating detrimental behavior "and" deter others who see dire consequences of others being dishonest... So the cycle of "dishonesty is the best policy" and looking the other way ends. Rationalizing is just that rationalizing. Selina is a beautiful young lady and the positive of all this and only responsible for her actions not her parents. Yet, nonetheless, for better or worse, Selina is dealing with the fallout of Maria's lie which is why we come to full circle "honesty is the best policy". Honestly, REPRODUCTION is not ENTERTAINMENT or something to be toyed with because beautiful children, like Selina, need and deserve a loving, stable home, where "honesty is the best policy" from day one between parents. Emotional and Life Skill Education K-12 DAILY classes need to be in schools to teach children what their parents have not learned to end detrimental cycles of behavior and poor choice making. Because an EQ is as important as an IQ. And common sense is becoming less and less common all the time. Common sense says to not have sex with someone else while still married then lie on birth certificate who the father is... SEX isn't entertainment it is reproduction with unborn innocent lives at stake!!! Life is for keeps and there are rarely oopsies and overs and that is why our lives depend on using common sense and making choices, we'd want to autograph, to last a life time. A good rule of thumb is: If you'd be embarrassed for anyone else to know...don't do it as you will have to live through it. Often the innocent have to live through it too...
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:17 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

The laws have always been for women.I moved out of state 5 years ago and the court said I made an illegal move and demanded that I returned to my home state.But I moved away only because I got to go to college for free because the company I worked for closed.ny person would take free education. But the courts are still hasseling me ,now saying I need to cover her on my insurance,but I don't have anyway.he has her own Insurance a new car  and job.My daughter supports herself because her mother won't give her money from me.
 
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10/29 Parent Trap

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I totally agree that this should be standardized testing all around. People would know up front that this would be done no matter what. This would keep the children from paying for it later and maybe this would make people consider the consequences before they have affairs.
I agree with you about standard testing. I also want to say th at I have never had the UTMOST RESPECT  FOR GLORIA ALLRED. She is all about the money and the bashing and her loudness and rudeness is disgusting.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:17 pm PDT

This is just not fear for that little girl.

  Dr.  Phil i enjoy watching your programs. I learned so much,thank you,you make a difference.

 I was sad today, for that little girl. She didn't have to pay for her mother mistakes.The dad could have  handled the situation better,she didn't do nothing wrong.I hope she get the help that she need, so she can go on with her life.She is such a beautiful girl and I hope to God she get over it.If these woman knew they are going to cheat why get marriage ?That's the reason why there are so much trouble children in this world.There's a lot of men taking care of children that is not there's and it don't make them a lesser man .He could be a man and still care for her.His new wife must remember that the child didn't cast this on herself she is jealous.And the mother should pay for what she did because she started it.Thanks Dr. Phil for taking time out to read my mail.Looking forward to watch tomorrow show.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Shame on you

  I felt that the mother was very unemotional and she was the one who caused this. Why wasn't she honest enough to her daughter to tell her that it was her fault for what had happened.  I believe that Selena was prompted by her mother to say what she did.  I don't feel Enrique should be responsible for paying child support and the mother should tell who the real father is and make him pay child support.  She acted as tho this was funny and I did not see anything funny about deceiving her husband, her children, her family. And he seemed to get the bad rap from that Lawyer. I may be a woman but men also have rights and there are many women who take advantage of men. I am sure she will pay at the end for her lies.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Try to make the best out of a bad situation

The mother lied about the child's paternity and she should not benefit from this lie.  Both Selina and Enrique were hurt by this lie.  Enrique behaved badly when he learned the truth.  I think that Selina should be given the opportunity and encouraged to go live with Enrique and his wife for a period of time (3 months, 6 months, whatever works for Selina) and given counseling so that she can learn to forgive Enrique for abandoning her.  No matter what the paternity test says he was her father and that relationship is worth salvaging for everyone's sake.  Should child support be paid?  You bet..... have the mom pay Enrique.  If/when Selina chooses to return to living with her mom then Enrique should not have to pay child support to the mom.  But for both his sake and Salina’s sake I would hope he would provide some form of support directly to Selina whether that be paying for musical lessons, giving her spending money to have fun with her friends, taking her on vacations with him and his wife, helping her in the future with educational costs, or other appropriate expenditures.  That way Selina will not believe that all he cares about is the money.  Yes, it was a lie that he was the biological father but if the end result for him is that he gets a wonderful daughter then who cares about the biology?  Selina can get her dad back, Enrique can get his daughter back, and the mom gets no money.  By the way, this is coming from a divorced mom who collected child support.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

DNA Paternaty fraud

 My head is about to explode when the women high profile lawyer had no consideration of guy in this show segment. And the lawyer said it is a rare occurence? It happend to me and I didn't find out until nine years later. When the child looks you square in the face, slips her slurpee and says"well...someone has to pay". That young girl will never learn what is right or wrong in this country. That lawyer is wrong, everyone coulod have handeled it better but as my blood explodes my skull, every father has the right to know who there kid is or if they are the father. Get real people, the people commenting on this segment better have gone through the exact same situation or they should not comment. It's so easy to have the man pay for everything. After all, if you are honest and right, your'e the bad guy. Women, get a real job and find the real fathers, get a life. Statistics say that about 10% of all diliverys in this country, the blood do's not match, you do the math, it's a comman thing.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

What?

You reflected the support of the Mother yet the supposed father was the victim.  Get real!  He thought after so many years he was the REAL father.  Why did  you not mention anything about who the real Dad is?  Did you even attempt to find HIM!!!!  He is the problem!!!  As is the MOther!!!  Not this innocent Man who thought he was the children's true father from the get-go.  We have been a big viewer but my husband and I are getting tired of your views catored toward seemingly getting more viewer attention. 

 

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