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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:44 am PDT

Get real

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Yes it is about this child, but it is ALSO about adults being allowed to get away with unimaginable deception!!!! If this mother had been sent home from the hospital with another woman's baby and this mom later (no matter how much later) found out she would surely hold the hospital responsible to the highest court possible; however, in all probability the hospital made a horrible MISTAKE!! This my dear was NO MISTAKE. She KNEW she was with more than one 'candidate' around the time this child was conceived!! Regardless of her temporary personal embarrassment SHE HAD AN OBLIGATION AS AN ADULT to tell ALL the guys they "may' be a 'father'. It is UNFATHOMABLE that she can be allowed to withhold this child from relationship with this man who has been her dad if he doesn't PAY!! Are you kidding??? Being a dad because you love and have a bond with a child should not mandate you PAY to see said child. If he CHOOSES to help financially the mother should be absolutely grateful and otherwise SHUT UP!! I feel sure Gloria Alred feels the same way but would never admit it because it would kill her credibility in representing this case!!!!

You know just from watching the mother today you could see that she is very deceitful and she will do or say anything that will work to her benefit. I think if she can't get money out of him she will find the real father and try to get the money from him (no matter who gets hurt in the process). She should see that she has already ruined two inicent peoples lifes but that dont seem like that concerns her. As far as Gloria Alred i think she didn't have a leg to stand on today she should just back out. He shouldn't or for that matter no man should have to pay child support for a child that is not theirs.You know i sit and watch alot of men get taken advantage of, where are the laws for the men it seems like it is all about women.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:44 am PDT

THAT WAS A MOMMY NO NO!

Watching the show today was totally hitting home! My brother-in-law is in the army and his wife just had their first son, well come to find out the baby was not his!  For women to lie to their husbands while their getting a little snack on the side is completely wrong!  I come from a divorced home and when there are children involved child support is always an issue with both parents.  Either one isn't happy because they're not receiving enough or the other doesn't want to pay.  I do not agree with the lawyer that was on the show today, just because a man has a bond with a child does not give the mother any right to take his money knowing full well that the child is not his.  I agree on the fact that the child and the man still need to continue the relationship with each other because there is that bond but if he is not legally the father then I see no need in the mother taking any more of his money, especially if she was unfaithful.  In today's society cheating is happening more and more for reasons I cant even imagine, but when there are children involved they are always going to be the ones with the bitter end of the deal, and for parents to fight about it and get the child involved is absolutley selfish!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:45 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I totally agree with this comment.I wouldn"t buy her book for a penny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would have to agree with you.. What planet is this lady from??

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:46 am PDT

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Are you paying any attention AT ALL??
i don't think your paying attention.  you have a valid point that women shouldn't have to support children on their own; however, don't pen the blame on someone that YOU know isn't responsible for the support.  That's just WRONG!!!!  If you need and want the support, then seek it from the right man!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:47 am PDT

parental fraud

It angers me that a woman (Maria in this case) can keep a secret as big as this, live a lie, and have absolutely no remorse.

It angers me that Gloria Allred is so biased against men that she cannot see the real culprit here. She should be giving Enrique advice on how to go about sueing Maria for every penny he has paid her for her deceit.

It should be up to Maria to then go after the biological father (if she knows who he is) for back and current child support.

I don't believe for a moment that Enrique did this for monetary gain. I cannot understand or condone however how he turned his back on Selena.

It's a sad mess for all.

The only person who made any sense was Carnell Smith. We need more like him!

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:47 am PDT

Gloria Allred has no clue.

Both of these parents have made huge mistakes...as so often parents do.  The point now would be to help the child heal.  Her mother has decieved her and her father has deserted her, both have hurt her.  What matters is not the money, but that she knows that everyone in her life loves her and supports her and that nothing is her fault.   Again, THE MONEY DOESN'T MATTER!  Her mother has to step up and be responsible for HER child, and the man that thought he was her father needs to let her know he will always be there for her, and nothing has changed. 

My children are very loved, they have what I can give them and not much else.  We don't hear from their fathers, and thats ok, because they know that I love them.  Isn't that all that children need, no matter who it comes from?  Just LOVE!

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:48 am PDT

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What are you talking about? You sound like a racist person... why are you saying that women from OTHER countries come here to have children with americans for the money?  That is sooo wrong...  I want to know where are you getting the information from...  I am not saying it doesn't happen at all but you can't say it is an epidemic... American women actually do that, why blame the rest of the world.  Please!  There are plenty of AMERICAN single moms with 2, 3, 4 children from different fathers collecting child support and living under government assistance. 

Look at statistics...They dont lie. I live in the south and the majority of women seeking public assistance are from other countries. Welfare requires women to go after the father for support. They dont recieve it but they go after the dads. It is just a fact not a racist comment.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:48 am PDT

What are people thinking????

It amazes me on the amount of people I know that aren't aware or SURE of who is the daddy?  I had 2 girlfreinds growing up that were uncertain of the father.  I have a friend who got a girl pregnant in California...he did not know of the pregnancy...she had mult partners, and was on welfare for several years...the welfare dept determined that my friends husband was the dad and went after him for back child support!!!  They don't have much as it is and he does not even know the child????  All in all it comes down to morales!!! There is a very short supply....and it is a shame what the kids of today have to deal with in all avenues and several new ones!!! 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:50 am PDT

parent trap

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I am very shocked about how easy it was for this family to be torn apart by the fathers new wife. As a second wife I know that staying in my place means that certain things about my husbands previously family is taboo. This wife got lucky because she happened to be correct. But what if she had been wrong.  She had a personal agenda in suggesting that DNA test. This father claimed the mother gave him clues long ago and she just didn't own up to it today. If she did that was his chance to take action. Not now, not after so many years have gone by, not at the expense of his beautiful daughter. His response to his new wife if he were really a man should have been I chose to turn my head to that possibility years ago and I am not going to revisit that issue now. A new wifes responsibility is not to tear apart whatever was built before we came along but to try to make the changes easier for the children. This DNA test was never about doing anything that was going to benefit that child. If I had thought that ever about one of my husbands children I would have NEVER suggest he do anything about it. Inside a marriage if their is no question at BIRTH I do not feel there should ever be a question. You are married and that is not something you can just walk away from. Children who are born into relationships that are unstable should not suffer from the actions of those parents. Any man who is told that he has fathered a child outside of a marriage should request a DNA test and if not he is saying I trust and love this woman and child enough that it does not matter and if that be the case then a judge should make them abide by the original decision they made when they were initially told they could have fathered a child. Men if you want women to be more accountable then you can't drag your feet about it. They shouldn't have the right to wait 10, 12, 15 years and then when things go sour say well maybe the child isn't really mine.
I totally agree.  No one looked at the culpability of the new wife!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:52 am PDT

The Mother should take responsibility for this entire mess.

This Mother should be ashamed of herself.  Why isn't this child angry at her Mother?  As Dr. Phil said, "The child should come first, the money second."  Therefore, why doesn't the Mother stop making this about "the money" and put her daughter first?  She should be required to repay any child support she has received, and should have to allow this father to continue his relationship with his "daughter".  He can still support her financially if he chooses, but not be required to give the Mother the money.  Too often, that child support goes toward Mothers like this to enable them to drive a newer car, live in a nicer house (many times, newer and nicer than the Father has).  This is what frustrates so many Fathers today.  I also thought the Mothers smirky behavior on stage was disgusting.  I believe the daughter will one day put the blame for this entire situation squarely where it belongs...on her Mother.  Her Father may have made a mistake in how he handled this information, but it's the Mother that should have prevented this from happening ago. When we lie or cheat someone, we never know what the impact may be on those we love.  This Mother thought nothing of that when she climbed into bed with another man while married to her husband. 

 

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