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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

Ridiculous

Although the father was wrong for telling poor Selena in the park and then refusing  to see her thereafter. The mother was the criminal and deceiver in the whole charade. My gosh have we lost our minds ....why should a man  be FORCED to pay for something when he was 100% innocent.

 

Listen when the courts decide that fathers have to pay they must first decide that DNA test are done to prove that they have the right man!!!  Men play games when they want to avoid paying and women are equally devious .

 

Can we just be on the side of Justice........yes the child is the victim but we can thank the mother for that.

Guess what ......men know how to push it in but women sit there with their  legs wide open knowing full well what can happen . But then again why not have babies that men have to pay for.  I am tired of people not taking irresponsibility for THEIR mess .  Remember when you attack an innocent person there are consequences. Some people are able to raise above things and some people will just kick u in the butt!!

 

As a woman , I would like other women to just be honest fair and have some integrity!   Have a wonderful day!

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

Abandonment

I think it's really sad for the daughter overall in this situation. My father left when I was 10 and even though he only lives an hour away, I hardly hear from him and he never financially helped me or my mother. And he is my biological father. I feel the dad in this case is using the cold, hard truth of the paternity test to cut him free of any responsibility. If he bonded with a child as his own for 10 years, I would think there would be an emotional attatchment. But the way he dealt with it makes me sick and honestly makes me fear having kids of my own, that so many men are deadbeat jerks like my own father.

 

But I am not backing the mother in this case at all. Adultry and lies, she got caught in her scheme to suck this guy dry. But that is no excuse to abandon a poor, young and innocent child. It will scar her for the rest of her life, I'm sure it made her question her self-worth tremendously and the situation should have been dealt with between the parents and never brought to the child's attention, at least not the way it was. I always said, people should have a license before they are allowed to breed. Some people should never be parents.

 

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October 29, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

The mom needs to answer for her part

Shame on Maria.

 I had my son out of wedlock. 24 years ago. I too, did not know who the father was.

 

Rather than choose the wrong man, I made the choice to tell them both that I did not know which of the two was the father.

 

If either of them wanted to take the Paternity test to find out who the father was, I would comply. Neither ever made any attempt to take the Paternity test. 

 

As a result, I raised my son on my own. WITHOUT CHILD SUPPORT.

 

Five years into my son's life, I met a man who eventually became his "dad". This man has nurtured, raised and supported OUR SON for 19 years.

 

Maria, shame on you. You need to take more responsibility for what you did to destroy this family.  You and only you caused all this misery. You can blame the new wife all you want, but in the end the responsibility is all yours.

 

You should make every effort to help Selina understand that it was you who made her dad this mad and sad and angry.

 

My son would never have forgiven me if I had not told him the truth from the beginning.

 

Maria, you have a lot of work to do to restore the relationship with Selina and her dad. Because you're the one who created this.

 

I hope you get off your high horse and take some responsibility.  If you need the money that bad, go look for the man you cheated on your husband with.

 

Otherwise, let your daughter and her dad get back together and don't demand child support.

 

 I have a question, will your new husband (Maria) not support Selina unless she is his daughter "legally". why? so he could claim her as an exemption? C'mon, doesn't anybody see what's happening here? Everybody is using this little girl for their own gain.

 

One last note, my husband never adopted our son. Yet, he supported him financially and emotionally for 19 years. That's love.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

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I think they are both wrong but why drag it . the mom is wrong for lying the father is wrong for walking out . money shouldn't be the problem at all , this girl needs a father, DNA or not a father isn't someone you have same blood as its that guy who took care of you since they day you were born. its really that Salina is being dragged with this its awful, no one deserves that  for them to keep talking about money after they seen what she had to say is just plain stupid selfish all you hear is money money money every time you think they understood it , its goes back to money. no money is worth the pain that has caused this girl $50 a month or even a $100 is not worth it at all. i think they are being selfish and Salina is just being pulled into it . i just wished that doctor Phil slapped some sense into them . i hate fathers who walk out of their daughters life you have no idea how much that hurts and scars this is coming from a girl who her father left her when she was born. you think bout it everyday  i hope they realize what they have caused and stop thinking bout the money they want or wont give and start thinking how to fix this.


 
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October 29, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

DID YOU SEE THE SAME SHOW THE REST OF US DID???

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I believe without a doubt that enrique was wrong. Granted his wife had an affair with another man but i think the blame should go on both the parents. Both parents are at fault with one another. I also think that Enrique's wife needs to seriously back out of this one. She has no right to be talking to her husbands ex wife at all. If it weren't for her, Enrique and selena would probably be just fine. Look at the damage that she has caused to this poor child and i'm sure that she said it just to have more money to spend. I think that if you really question whether or not a child is yours than you should get a paternity test the moment the child is born. 10 years later is not the time.

Uhm. . . .excuse me, but the little girl's MOTHER was the one who caused all the  damage and pain here, NOT Enrique's new wife! In fact, I think she did the right thing. She saw through all the bullcrap and deceit and pointed her husband to the truth. She's a strong woman and a real wife who stood by her husband, not some naive, passive little ornament or showpiece of a wife.

 

Furthermore, how could you sit there and say BOTH parents are to blame for an affair that THE MOTHER had and for the deceit and pain that SHE inflicted both on her ex husband and  her child? That doesn't even make sense.

 

(Sorry BECKY CARTER, I posted this message in response to your post by mistake. It was intended for AGUI1012.)

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:21 pm PDT

Mom needs to be held responsible

I agree with Gloria Allred on one point and that is there is an overwhelming problem with men not paying the child suuport that is rightfully owed. However, this is not one of those cases. I do not agree with Enrique's decision on how to tell his daughter but he should not be paying to financially support a child that isn't biologically his. If Enrique and Selina choose to have a relationship then let them have an emotional relationship. Maria kept saying she's angry because of how much this has hurt Selina. I don' t doubt that she loves her daughter and doesn't want to see her hurt, but this is about the money. Maria was not able to be faithful to her husband and she is the one that should be paying the price. I think Enrique needs to help heal the emotional wounds he inflicted on Selina, but he should not help financially support the fact that his ex-wife can't be faithful!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:22 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I feel like the Mother wasnt put in her place. That Lady had no idea that what she did was wrong and there is nooooooway that he should have to pay child support for a child that isnt his. She cheated on him and didnt even tell him!~!! I think she should have to pay him back for all the child support he paid her..
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:22 pm PDT

Truly a sad story

While I can see all sides,  I am most appauld by the adulterous mothers seemingly  righteous indignation over the decision of the father to withdraw love and support from Selena.  In response to the pain of betrayal dad actions deeply hurt an innocent child.  It seems his actions were motivated by anger & revenge not counting the costs or the consequences.  I applaud that he admits that this was one of his lifes biggest regrets.  He shows a remorse and sorrow for his actions that adulterous mom doesn't have.  I hope that father wiil do whatever it takes to build the bridge to connect with Selena's heart  once again.    It is the bigger person who does the right thing. 

 

I  think adulterous mom should return all the child support paid over the years due to her fraud.  It would be a step toward reconcilliation if dad would place it in a trust for Selena's education.  Demonstrating that it is not all about the money for him. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:22 pm PDT

CRUELTY

Fantastic show.  Great debates.  Very emotionally charged topic.  We need dozens more shows on these subject without the jerry Springer drama of DNA tests.

 

What was most striking to me was the giddy laughs and faces made by the mother who caused a great deal of emotional trauma.  She was  proud of herself that she got away with the scam for 10 years.  The scam of making her X pay child support for a child that was not his.  She had no remorse or personal responsibility for being at the root of the scandal.  She was more interested in laying blame at her X than taking personal responsibility for harming her child.

 

I love these shows on brainwashing.  A big parenting problem.  Keep it up.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:22 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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First and foremost the child should be protected at all cost.  They did not ask to be born.

Secondly, the Parent (child supporter in this case) should be offered compensation for this tragic story, which happens much too often.

Third, the Parent (mother in this case) should be punished by law.  Maybe if these women who lie to these men are punished less women would be apt to be deceitful about the biological parent.

 

No one wins in this case other than the mother, who for so many years accomplished keeping her lie to herself!  You should be ashamed of yourself and pray that GOD forgives you for this terrible injustice you have caused your daughter!

 

Lastly, the biological father should be sought and made to reimburse the past child supporter and pay up on his child support!  Come on WOMEN get your acts together.

 

I pray that this child will adjust and have a wonderful fulfilling life!

 

I am presently going through this with my own husband, who supports a child for 18 years that he has not seen in over 14 years due to his ex-wife.  We have suspected the child is not his and that is why the mother has kept him distant from his father.  However, we continue to pay the child support.

 

Thanks Dr. Phil for your great imput and knowledge in this case.

 

Shame on these kind of woman that can live with themselves after lying and takeing advantage of these innocent men.  Women are in control when it comes to having children.  They are they only ones that truly know who their baby belongs too. Men  can only beleive and trust the women, what else can they do. Some men are trapped into this when they are not even ready to be a Dad and than pay for the damage weather they are the father or not.  I think it is unacceptable for women to bring innocent children into this world  on lies and for wrong reasons.  They should be punished for this.  A child should not be born into this kind of act.  These women that do something like this, are only thinking of themselves. not the child.
 
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