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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 5:28 pm PDT

Being a Dad

The victim in this case is the daughter, Selina - she didn't choose this or deserve this.

Her Mother made a mistake, if she admitted that he wasn't the biological father, then her marriage would be over.  I don't think she intentionally committed a fraud - her best interest at that time was her daughter.

 

Just because you are a sperm donor(biological father), does not make you a father.  A Father is the man who was there when you were sick, changed your diapers, got up in the night, when you lost a tooth, first day of school, when someone hurt you by teasing or broke your heart.  This Father is her logical father. Biological just gives you your genes!

 

Selina deserves a caring Father - after 10 years I don't understand how Enrique can say he isn't her father.  He is trying to hurt his ex-wife & using the children is not the way to do it .. it the long run it only hurts them.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:28 pm PDT

No penalty for lying, only in the USA

 Why not have the woman pay the money back, still letting the father have visitation. Let the mother locate and sue the real father. Why  does everybody always say that money is no big deal, but will throw the father in jail for not paying child support for somebody else's child. If a person files a false document  with  the state, the state will prosecute.  With a birth certificate, no truth, no fine, no penalty,  why would you even worry about  lying? If a  women cheats  with someone that is a bad boy, the chances of him making child support payments would be slim.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:29 pm PDT

what is wrong with that "father"

My ex-husband is not the father of my oldest child.  My daughter is now 38 years old and my ex has been in her life since she was 3.  We were divorced in 1985, but they are still "father and daughter."  He has long been remarried and has 3 more very young children (better him than me).  My point is, biology does not make a parent.  Semen makes a father, love makes a dad.  My ex is my daughter's dad and that will never change.  Enrique should be ashamed of himself.  What his ex wife did is not right, but what he did to their daughter is much, much worse.
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:29 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I was appalled and shocked that the mother would actually expect enrique to pay child support. 1 she cheated on him. 2 He raised and took care of this child for 10 years. 3 HE IS NOT THE REAL FATHER!! Why does money have to be a factor cant he be a father and love and care for her as any other father without having to pay for someone that is not genetically his thats a crime to make someone pay for something or one that is not really theirs! Child support i believe is more for her benefit not the childs because i am sure that if Selena had the choice she would choose her father over his money what does she want with his money! Where is the real father he should pay not enrique! He should have the choice to choose if he wanted to pay no one should make him. And as for the mother she should be ashamed it is all her fault cheating is wrong but unfortunately selena pays for that not her. She was nodding at everyone but it is funny becuase i saw no feeling of remorse for her actions its just wrong that you do that to a person let alone a child! NEvertheless i want to add that even though enrique is the victim.. he should have never dragged selena in this and that is where he went wrong you dont just abandon a child she had no choice and you just make her feel bad about herself it was no way her fault!

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:29 pm PDT

YOU Hear What ur SAYING?

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I believe that even though the DNA results said

that he wasnt the father he should've still been

there for the girl that he has raised since birth.

If he really loves her like he says he does then

why would he even want a DNA test?

Tell me my friend .......What if it wer you.?

Or your son ...or brother  not being the father of a child?

 

True yes  he should have not left her way he did,,,,,,,,but what if he wants hav e a family w/ new wife ....?,,,should he not.......so as to pay for one that is not his,?

 

Why not ask yourself.......WHY  didnt maria get off her ass....and find the real father ...didnt u see how smugg she was... how she smerked?

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:29 pm PDT

Little Justice for Fathers

Women can lie, cheat and extort money from men with little to know ramifications in the courts in the USA. It is a sad but true fact. Mothers are considered to be the best parent for a child unless the father has deep enough pockets to try and prove otherwise. This is WRONG!

 

I fought for custody of my daughter and won! My attorney advised me at the beginning that "this was going to cost me at least $30,000 and I most likely would not win". Well, it cost me over $140,000 and my daughter and I did win!

 

It is ridiculous that I had to bankrupt myself to prove to the courts that I would be the better parent!

 

It the time that I was in this battle for custody. Many years ago! Thirteen percent of men that dare to  contested the given right of a woman for custody of there children would win in this country. In my state it was less then that. Less then six percent here won!

 

It is all about money!!! Not the better home for the child!! The attorney and the state appointed evaluators all kept telling me "we want what's best for the child", then out came the hand! If I couldn't have pay the $10,000 state appointed evaluation fee, then what was best for the child would have never been considered!

 

What that lady on your show today did should be a crime! I don't believe that the real father even knows he has a child. He should be advised and be made to pay! The father that raised her should have the choice to keep providing emotional and any other support that he chooses. The mother " after the child is 18 and out of the house" should be made to pay back any and all monies back to the husband!

 

Do you realize that the non paternal father can still be sent to jail for non support of the child that he did not even father!

 

It is always the children that suffer. The courts in this country do not treat the parents as equals during a divorce. Rearly do men or children get justice! This must change. The courts should take any and all information from both parents and determine with whom the child future would be the best. NOT the "if the women doesn't make a great living, we will just take it from the man"! rj

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:30 pm PDT

The Step mother

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Enrique's wife is responsible for this whole mess.  She should never have mentioned her suspicions.  Enrique is heartless.  It's all about the money.  Didn't he bond with this child after 10 years???  As for Carnell....what kind if relatiionship does he have with his "child".   Another disappointed, hurt child???

These men only thought of their egos and money.  The feelings of a child who had nothing to do with this whole mess never entered their thoughts.

The step mother exposed a lie. Since when is that a bad thing? I'm shocked by how many people think having this child live a lie is the acceptable answer to her mother's fraud. Any time a child is involved, the truth becomes that much more important. She should have known from the beginning who her father was!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:30 pm PDT

Common Sense

Mr. Smith knows his stuff.  He is awesome!!!!

 

Second, the mother, oh my gosh, I truely believe she knew all along that the baby was not her husbands.  I think she was just trying to save her marriage by not telling him the truth.  Now the truth is out and she should own up to the lie. 

 

Enrique, he should have thought first before speaking.  But the damage is done now.  He needs to get the relationship back.  No he should not have to pay but you would think he would want to pay.  But in the long run he had the right to find out.  Always CYA.

 

The child, she is just that. A child.  She is just speaking ,what some, is her true feeling and other I think is feelings that she has been raised with.  Some her words she spoke sounded like someone else.  But if Enrique continues trying to rebuild the relationship as she matures she will establish her own beliefs.

 

I myself have a daughter that knows my ex-husband as her dad which he is not.  He knows she is not his daughter.  He knew from day one and guess what?  She is now living with him, that is her Daddy and no  one will change this.  Both my ex-husband and myself have worked extrememly hard to get thru this relationship but in the end we did what was best for her and continue doing so.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:30 pm PDT

Parent Trap

 Gloria Allred is TOTALLY wrong!!  I am a stepmom to a child whose mother doesn't step up to the plate.  I have treated him as if he were my own and have never let him go without the necessary things in life.  I take him to all of his doctor appointments, dentist appointments, etc.  I am VERY involved in his school (he struggles) to make sure that he is getting everything that he needs.  Heaven forbid his father and I ever divorced, should I then have to take on resposibility of having to pay child support?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!!  Am I supposed to sit back and say, "he's not my child" and let him go without life's necessities...not worry about his health...let his teeth go without care because me "treating him as my own" would make him my own by law and could force me to pay support??  THAT'S CRAZY!  His mother is a flake and will only do things for him that she can receive "acknowledgement" for.  She has to do things in the public eye so people think she is a good mother.  None of her friends or other parents at school can SEE her take her child to the doctor or dentist so she just doesn't do it.  At the same time, I have parented this child for 9 years (since he was an infant) and would never walk away from him, but wouldn't expect a court or one of his biological parents to insist that I pay child support!! 
I am a women and know several step-moms in my situation.  The mothers of these children get away with A LOT.  It is about time that someone make them take responsibility for their actions!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 5:30 pm PDT

My ex with thru this

 when i was 19 i dated this guy who have a daughter with his ex of three years. now my ex was light skin and his ex was dark as Wesley snipp. when i saw this baby, this baby look Mexican, now i come from a mix family i have four sisters and two brothers, my family is all colors of the rainbow, because everyone is either mix or etc....My half sister, has a half sister that is black and Mexican, and his daughter look just like her. even my sister, without knowing that his ex was black, ask him if his ex was Mexican because she look like her sister. now we broke up before i left for the military, when i got back about a fews years later i talk to him and he told me that his daughter wasn't his and that the father was in deed Mexican, and that the only  reason why he found out the truth was because he came over to her house and saw the bio dad there. and after four years of asking she finally told him the truth. later he find out that  the child  already knew who her dad was, because the ex told the truth to bio dad but not to my ex. and you know what was funny she treated me like the ex wife treated the new wife. she blame me while we where dating for telling him that this child possible couldn't be his, when she knew that this child wasn't his.

 

now about the show, I'm sorry but i truly feel that this child was brainwash, the reason is she could only talk about money  and what he did but she never once brought up anything about her mother. now I'm going to explain why i feel that way, everything that the daughter brought up was something similar to what the mother said and she was as angry as the mother over the situation but never over her mother role in this, she forgave her mother but never her father. i do feel that the father is finally over his pain of being mad at the mother and taking it out on the daughter. i just hope that she and her father can move on from this pain that there mother has cause. I'm sorry that man like this have to put up with this, this is the reason why children all over the world is not receiving child support, because of woman like this who know that there is possibility that this is not this child father. and for that attorney to make the commit that since he is a MD he should know who his child is, she is so lucky that this man row over from the start and just believe her, because any man especially some one with a high paying job would of ask for a dna on all his children, before paying one cent. and it sound like the mother is not trying to help the daughter mend these broken wounds she just trying to cause more pain by asking for more money instead of telling the truth to who this child real father is. and if she felt any remorse how come she hasn't  contract the bio father and have a meeting with him and her daughter and stop fighting for child support on a child that is not his? reason is because she money hungry and never once care that this child wasn't his. because if she care about her child she would care more about her feelings and trying to fix this situation, instead of trying to take him to the clearner over her mistake.

 
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