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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:52 am PDT

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   I feel there should be repercussions for these mothers that do this. It needs to be the mans decision if he wants to father the baby after he knows the truth, so it spares the child for the hurt and the pain that this child is going through. As a single mother that has watched the pain in my kids eyes from having troubled relations with their father, i would have given up anything for them to have a good father. So if these women do this i do not feel these men should  NOT have to pay child support ( unless they choose to help financially) and just continue the relationship that was started. AND I FEEL THESE MOTHERS SHOULD BE PUNISHED JUST LIKE WE GO AFTER DEAD BEAT DADS!!!  So maybe in the future other women will think twice before letting 10 years go by, or just plain deceiving these men and children.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:53 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Enrique has already distroyed this young girl.  He should not stand in the way of Chris wanted to adopted her.  After what he did emotionally to his daughter, he needs to bow out and allow her to build a relationship with Chris.  Also, his wife seems very bitter and is poisoning the situation with resentment and unforgiveness.
this is totally out of line. think about what you are writing...enrique only wanted selina to know the truth. the truth is not always pleasant. and there is never a perfect way to say it. he did what he thought best. and you say his wife is bitter and poisoning the situation?? How is that? she is only supporting her husband in this situation. she didn't ask for this when she married him i am assuming. she must really love him to stick by him in all this drama. that must be some woman!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:56 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Look, I paid child support  for eleven years on a child that wasn't mine. People including Dr. Phil said "the child comes first" "then the money". Dr. Phil and those people don't understand what it's like to have 65% of check taken from you every week and always wondering how your bills are going to get paid or where your next meal is going to come from. Since when did man become responsible for his and her actions. To me it has been a very unjust situation that has kept me poor in spirit and financially. I, after finding out  that this child wasn't mine, was still willing to emotionally take on the responsibly, because i had a bond with the child. Only after the child support stopped coming in did the mother stop allowing visitation with the child. So you tell me who really comes first, the money hungry liar or the child. Do a pole! You may be shock of the answer, because it shorley isn't the child.

I agree 100% with your thoughts.  As I said in my response to Dr. Phil, I agree the child should come first, the money second.  The Mother should PUT the child first and stop focusing on the money.  Too often, the child support given to these women is used for frivilous things like nicer cars, newer homes, and not always for the true support of the child.  This father should be able to resume his relationship with the daughter and provide her financial support directly if he chooses...and not give any money to the Mother. 

 

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October 29, 2007, 8:57 am PDT

Sexual Revolution Hurts Kids

Upset after watching today's show (parent trap).  I believe too that biological father should be tracked down.  Personally, our family has experienced the same to a degree. Our oldest daughter got pregnant at 18 yrs and subsequently got engaged to be married.  Fiance' figured dates and tho't there might be a chance this child was not his.  Paternity proved he was not biological father and he cut off engagement.  As parents we were mortified.  Our granddaughter is now 12 yrs old and mother (our daughter) still refuses to admit who the biological father is. 

Because of 'money' and educational issues, Ohio Welfare system picked up the tab for OB/Pediatric care although the father was NEVER determined.  Our daughter would not level with us. We are and have been humiliated too.  Grandpa is the only strong male father figure in this young girls life.  Hopefully, we have stood in the gap for our granddaughter.  Our Daughter went on to utilize education grants to graduate from college with bachelor's degree and worked out of welfare too. 

Women caught in such a lie should be cut off from any financial gain or support from an innocent man.  If paternity is proven then there is a trust fund set up for the child and money dispersed that way.  Mother should never see a dime!  Biological fathers beware.  If mother will not name the father, then there is no public financial aid either.  What a conundrum!  Promiscuity is not as sexy when there is fallout.

Years ago a child out of wedlock meant that the couple were 'forced' to get married. Many did so out of responsibility and owned up to the occasion with grit and maturity.  Now couples just walk away.  Our society pays in violence and anger.  This burden is too great for any child.  God help us all.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:57 am PDT

Mother is solely responsible for harm to child

If any harm was brought about to the child for her "father" leaving the picture upon learning results of paternity, it falls on the mother, for only her commited any fruad.

 

It's bull that a man who was victim to her trickery, whether for 10 months or 10 years, must now be a willing participant of her deciet for the child's sake.

 

The mother put her child in that position, knowingly.  She knew full well what the risks were if he knew the actual paternity, which explains why her mouth was shut for so long.  She should be on trial here by not just the man, but by her child as well. 

 

Im sure the child will experience anger and abandonment towards who she believed was her father, but again, that falls on the mother.He should not be responsible to the feelings the child will experience that are a direct and predictable result of her mother's fraudulant entrapment of man, paternity be damned.

 

The mother set up the house of cards, the mother is responsible for the collapse of her scheme, and has A LOT of explaining to do to her child, and hopefully, to the courts.

 

If the mother is not held responsible for fraud and is instead given right to continue recieving 'royalties' for her behavior, what lesson does that teach the child exactly?  Many children emulate their parents and repeat patterms of their parents.  How does forcing a man, who has been a victim of deceit, continue to pay for a child that isn't his, teach a child anything other than how to emotionally entrap people for personal gain?

 

It's a shame any children of similar circumstances will have to experience the hurt they will experience.  But unfortunately for these children, it was the mother who willfully put their children on the betting table, and only their mother let the bet ride.

 

It's too bad society is set up that the odds are in the mother's favor.

 

Entrapment of men with children/pregnancy is the oldest and most prevalent scam committed.  Women be crazy when it comes to their man and money.  The idea that a mother wouldn't use children/pregnancy for her own gain and/or manipulation is an idea that deserves to be blown to smithereen's.  Its just. not. true.

 

And so there's no confusion, Im a woman, and today's topic is one of many reasons why women give women such a bad name.  I am shamed by my gender today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:59 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I am very shocked about how easy it was for this family to be torn apart by the fathers new wife. As a second wife I know that staying in my place means that certain things about my husbands previously family is taboo. This wife got lucky because she happened to be correct. But what if she had been wrong.  She had a personal agenda in suggesting that DNA test. This father claimed the mother gave him clues long ago and she just didn't own up to it today. If she did that was his chance to take action. Not now, not after so many years have gone by, not at the expense of his beautiful daughter. His response to his new wife if he were really a man should have been I chose to turn my head to that possibility years ago and I am not going to revisit that issue now. A new wifes responsibility is not to tear apart whatever was built before we came along but to try to make the changes easier for the children. This DNA test was never about doing anything that was going to benefit that child. If I had thought that ever about one of my husbands children I would have NEVER suggest he do anything about it. Inside a marriage if their is no question at BIRTH I do not feel there should ever be a question. You are married and that is not something you can just walk away from. Children who are born into relationships that are unstable should not suffer from the actions of those parents. Any man who is told that he has fathered a child outside of a marriage should request a DNA test and if not he is saying I trust and love this woman and child enough that it does not matter and if that be the case then a judge should make them abide by the original decision they made when they were initially told they could have fathered a child. Men if you want women to be more accountable then you can't drag your feet about it. They shouldn't have the right to wait 10, 12, 15 years and then when things go sour say well maybe the child isn't really mine.
 people have free will. it was his choice to do it when he felt the time was right. it's time to break taboo's in this world. and with change comes a shift to a better place!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:59 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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All the so-called "lliberated" women of today claim that their body is theirs to do with what they want. Unwanted pregnancy-get rid of it. Want a baby with not man involved--do it. Wants to screw around on her husband--do it. But thanks to birth control, she should never have gotten pregnant. Then she has the nerve to be upset when her husband does not want to continue to pay support to a child that isn't his.

The mother is the villian here. It's a pity that Selina can't see that. Her daddy is just as much a victim of her mother as she is.

When a woman ,married or single perpetrates an untruth when it comes to child paternity, then, yes, it is her responsibility.

Maybe this show can be a wakeup call to women who just screw with abandon and don't use birth control. Look at the mess it can cause.

Maybe this show can ALSO be a wake-up call to MEN who just screw with abandon and don't use birth control.  Look at the mess it can cause.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:07 am PDT

How I Feel About The Parent Trap

I have raised nine children only three were my natural children.  My husband had six children when we got married we decided to adopt the two youngest, but the older four came with the package.  My point to this is I was able to make my own decision about raising and paying for someone else's children.  My ex never paid a day of child support, but I worked hard to keep me and my children off of the welfare system.  I believe in this day and age a women can take care of her family without a man.  Don't get me wrong I do believe they should pay child support because it took the two of them to make the child.  But the argument over money can damage the child.  The child will grow up thinking all the mother want's is the child support and not care about them and vise versa for father's.  As a woman I believe women should be ashame of themselves for causing just a drama in their children's lives.  Women should think ahead before they even start this type of lie.  What if the child gets sick and need bone morrow or blood transfusion, don't they think the truth will come out.  Or even if the child just starts to going to school and become interested in science to find out why they have black hair or blue eyes when neither parent does.  There are so many factors, but they all come back to the child being distroyed. 

 

As far as child support the falsely accused parent should be allowed to decide if they want to keep their relationship and help the child on a voulentary basis.  Why add hurt to shame and force them to pay child support for a child that is not their biological child.  I am sure by ten to twelve years or even less the bond is so close the parent will still want to be a part of that child's life.  This whole situation is as bad as mine.  My father divorced my mother when I was four years old because she did not want to move to Louisiana with him, but not only did he divorce her he divorced me.  I have no idea what my father looks like and do not have the means to find him or see him.  Mother's or Father's don't realize what they are doing to that child when these things happen.  My situation is a little different, but the decision affected my entire life and still is affecting it. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:08 am PDT

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Maybe this show can ALSO be a wake-up call to MEN who just screw with abandon and don't use birth control.  Look at the mess it can cause.

I so agree. I did not mean to leave them out of the eqaution. With the availability of birth control, there should be no unplanned pregnancies. I know that sometimes there is a failure of some methods due to drug interaction. That happened to a sister-in-law of mine. But at least they were using something. This ridiculous "hooking up" with no protection not only leads to situations like on this show today, it leads to death.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:19 am PDT

From the child's view

I grew up believing something was wrong with me.and feeling totaly unwanted.  After my mother died I disconver EVERYONE except me knew my Father wasn't my biological father.  Even people that weren't family members knew.  My father told me that my Mother had tricked him.  My biological father didn't want to marry my Mother and she told no one who that was. My father didn't know until the day I was born.  They argued over it and it boilded down to the fact that neither of them wanted me.

 

How sad to punish me for something I didn't have any control over.  I now don't have any way of finding out valuable health information that would benifit my children as well as me. 

 

To lie hurts many innocent people. 

 
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