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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 6:13 pm PDT

Unbelievable - No Care for Selina at all

I was disgusted to find out what this woman has done to her Selina and to Enrique.  Regardless of what occurs now, Selina must find her way back home and unfortunately, her mother had created irreversible damage to this teenage girl.   Enrique should continue to help Selina mend but not as a father more so as a friend.   As a mother and someone who grew up without a father, it is difficult to feel pity or sympathy for Selina's mom. 

 

I feel more for Selina and the road that she must go through to find herself and her identity in this new world that  her mother has thrusted her into. 

 

My prayers and best wishes go to Selina and I hope that you know that you are much stronger than you think. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:14 pm PDT

No Forced Child Support Payments

It's great if the relationship with the child can be saved . However, he should not be forced to pay another dime in child support.

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:14 pm PDT

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I am totally in agreement with you but I am curious to know if your husband continues to be the father figure for the 7 yr. old girl or if he is still denied visiting rights?  If he is able to continue to be the father, is there any chance he would adopt her?
No, we have not seen her now in 5 years.... because of Wa state. They just wiped my husband out of her life completely.  We offered in the beginning of all this mess to raise her as ours, and they told us no... only because of the DNA. That is why we went after the state. What they did to my husband was wrong on sooooo many levels.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:14 pm PDT

Disgusting Behavior

She KNEW he may not be the father of the baby as soon as she got the pregnancy test back.  She chose to screw up her daughter's life.  Better the daughter find out now rather than another 10 years from now.  Enrique made a poor decision on how to break the news, and a poor decision to cut himself out of Selena's life.  However, he should not be required to pay a penny of support.

Selena's mother is a poor excuse for a woman.  I couldn't believe she uddered "I think he should pay (support)".  And she has the NERVE to say Enrique is only worried about money.  Sorry honey, your true colors are coming out, you should be embarressed to even ask for money after what you did.  Live with your lies and deciept.  Unfortunately, you have drug your beautiful daughter down with you.  Be smug about that.

Both daughters need counseling to understand the depth of the deception, and the fact that Enrique is only human.  No one has a book on how to react to finding out your child is not your own, he should not be faulted by his daughters for his reaction.  Their mother started this mess 13 years back, the blame needs to be on her shoulders...appropriately.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:14 pm PDT

Deception, Fraud and the child

It is a terrible disservice to the child in the way the "step" father treated this litle girl. She was placed in a terrible situation.  Having said that:

 

I feel that the mother is the culpable party with regard to lying by silence that this child was the product of an affair.  Why didn't she go after him?  The natural father has to be the responsible person, even though the child was being cared for by should the "alleged" father.  It's like saying that any step-father, (and for the purposes of this, I believe that is what he is) would be responsible for someone elses children.

 

This man was deceived into signing the birth certificate!  He believed she was his daughter for ten years.  Although he handled the situation poorly, he has more than paid for that deception.

 

Do we now need to have a DNA test every time a child is born to establish paternaty?

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:14 pm PDT

money is the issue

When the mother and her new husband mentioned that he wanted to adopt the girl (which would be wondeful for the little girl) I seemed to be the only one who caught that they were still expecting the other father to continue to pay child support for the girl - not just child support - but the max child support that they could get!  So for Lawyer Gloria to say that the child should be considered first and the money second - I think that should go two ways - the mother sure as heck isn't willing to let the money issue go, anymore than the father is willing to let the money issue go.  Both of these "parents" have behaved poorly - but I was more disappointed and even disgusted with the mother because she came across so self righteous and did not seem to think that she did anything wrong.  I could not understand how a person can just cut a child out of their life the way that this father did - I can understand his anger at being betrayed and tricked - I just don't know how he could walk away from the child. I do think that the child should come first - but both parents - both mother and father - seemed to be focused on the money issue, not the child's feelings and that to me was the biggest tragedy portrayed on the show.  
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:15 pm PDT

Since when is stealing okay?

I saw this show and I feel terrible for both the child and Enrique.   I think the mother should be held accountable for misrepresentation, and stealing.  She should have to pay back the child support or go to jail.  That is the options the father would have.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander right?   Why is it different for a woman? Maybe mandatory DNA should be required at birth since a man's/woman's word is not worth much anymore.  Then women would think twice before birth date about lying and covering up biological information.  It is not right.  This happens way more then what people think.  It is wrong.  It is stealing! I have seen it first hand in our little town several times.  (including with my own husband and his supposed children.                 Now about the child and this situation, I think it is a mistake how she was told and left to be confused.  I think the father was hurt and did not know what to do.  Obviously the courts do not help the men in these situations.  I think he should be allowed to continue his relationship.  It is not up to the mother to decide.  I think the courts should decide.  The father and daughter need to go to counseling together to mend the situation at hand.  I do not think the father should be forced to pay either.  I think it is his decision what he wants to pay.  I say the courts should find the biological father and get the money from him.  However, this is proven deceit on the mother's part.  She should be responsible for  paying back restitution to Enrique.  She was the theif not the biological father.  Any other situation where a person is caught stealing, it is a felony. This should be too.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:15 pm PDT

the problem with money

  The only thing I could think about when watching this show was that poor little girl.  I really don't see how a father could do that.   The answer, he is not her father and must always have thought that way.   If the hospital called me tomorrow and said " we made a mistake and we gave u the wrong baby"  I know I wouldn't say "well come and get her,  because I am not paying for a child that is not mine."  It wouldn't change a damn thing about how I feel about my daughter.   The point is Enrique shouldn't have to by law pay for a child that is not his biologically but that he should  feel a want and a need to.  If he thought of himself as her father and felt the love and bond of father and child then he would never for anything especially money given her up.   The message I got and that the girl got was Fathers don't stick around. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:16 pm PDT

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Quote From: feliciamarkley

She lied because she didn't know what the truth was. It wasn't until he left the marriage that his new wife pursueded him to do a DNA test. You are the one that needs to grow up!! The child is as much the victim because she lost her daddy. She is not a piece of trash that you just throw out the window because you came along. His responsibility was always for the child that he thought was his and nothing should change that. The only thing that could change that is a very very cold heart!!
You are a pathetic and bitter women your husband left you get over it (I can see why) Yes the child is a victim because her mother lied but so is Enrique and Mia. You never answered my question should the man's biological children be taken from to give to another child?? should they be forced into poverty to give to a non biological child? Why should they suffer put your own pathetic reasons on the back burner and stop contradicting yourself and put the children first remember ????
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:17 pm PDT

trap

 why shoulg the men pay one does not have to do with the other dead beat  dad and lieing mom when do we say stop we voted  the dumb ass in to govenor  we can change the law and make the right person pay my ex never paid but that was his choice I still gave him the right to be with them was it my girls mistake no mine so why not let him have his weekend. now that they know I still tell just love him, but I would never thing about who is thier daddy

lies also will bite us in the ass
 
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