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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 6:55 pm PDT

Dr. Phil too passive on issue

Dr. Phil:

I waited the whole show today for you to let Enrique have it but you failed me!  You sat back so passively which is not like you when it comes to children's' emotional well being.  I agree that Enrique should not have to pay child support after the results of the DNA test, but abandoning that child was inexcusable!  I can't believe you didn't rip him a new one!

 

Disappointed in PA,

Kelly

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:56 pm PDT

Gloria Allred should stick to defending clients in court

I have never written into any type of show before, but today's show made me livid.  I thought it was terrible that Gloria Allred should take such a definititve stance on an issue that will never affect her.  I usually am not bothered by what I see, but my heart broke for Selena and the pain she must have felt.  She appeared so strong on the show.  On the other hand, what happened to her father must have been equally painful and devastating to him.  While he maybe did not handle the situation as others thought proper, it was his decision to handle things as he saw fit.  The outcome for the children is terrible, however, I don't think that should mean that men who have been deceived by women should have to financially support children that are not theirs if they do not wish to do so.  It is not Gloria Allred's decision, Dr. Phil's or anyone elses.  It is their decision to handle the new information as they see fit.  If children are hurt in the process and fingers are pointed, they should only be pointing to the deceiptful woman who started the lie.
 
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October 29, 2007, 6:57 pm PDT

Paternity fraud Victim Pa

This show really hits home for my family it is our life, my husband is a victim of paternity fraud and has been for the past 15 years. We have been through the court system without any kind of justice. Yes i do feel sorry for the children that have been lied to ,but it is the mothers fault this deception even occurred .

These women have committed fraud and perjury but instead of punishment they are rewarded with cash .

Maria you are a pathetic excuse for a women how can you say you love your daughter when you lied to her for 10 years? You sat on that stage and basically laughed at your actions ,but call yourself a mother I call you a criminal.  Like Enrique my husband is forced to surrender 50% of pay to a women who claimed he was the father of her child . Our biological children are taken from to support another man's responsibility how is this fair to them? Yes I do feel sorry for that young lady but I also feel sorry for all the children that do not benefit financially from their biological parents because of this fraud. Women who commit fraud should be punished and made to repay the support they have received.  Lawmakers need to be forced to change ancient laws which do not fit our time.  Child support is not a punishment,but in this case it is.Every father and mother should support their biological children but like Carnell says "If the genes don't fit you must acquit". Mia I give you alot of credit stand by your man and fight the fight we will prevail one day.

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:00 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

This becoming more common, and I think the anicent way of thinking and the justice system needs to change. 

I was once asked, by my mother, if you liked her good enough to lie down with her, why isn't she good enough to marry?  That way of thinking has got me a divorce and paying child support for a child that everybody knows is not mine, including the biological father.  I simply call my child support, bail money! it definitely keeps me out of jail.  Do I pay the support?  yes... Do I love the child?  Having to love everyone to go to Heaven, yes...  Do I wish the mother could feel my, government restraints?  Hell yes...  It's said to be in the best interest of the child, that's bullshit! 

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:00 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Dr. Phil:

I waited the whole show today for you to let Enrique have it but you failed me!  You sat back so passively which is not like you when it comes to children's' emotional well being.  I agree that Enrique should not have to pay child support after the results of the DNA test, but abandoning that child was inexcusable!  I can't believe you didn't rip him a new one!

 

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Kelly

I can't belive that you wanted Dr Phil to jump on Enrique. That is all everyone did. Dr Phil should have let Maria have it. Enrique did abandon that child but for almost 10 years Maria lied to him about Salina. Why are you going after Enrique? If Maria would have told the truth, they would would not be in this situation now.
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:00 pm PDT

Honesty for a Change

I remember the days when a woman told a potential husband if she even had sex before him and she sure told him if she was pregnant. What happened to good old fashioned honesty. We've all made mistakes but deliberately not telling just so you can get a home for the child is not building a marriage on the right reasons. He may have even wanted to adopt the child when he thought he was in love with her and then there would be no question of his responsibilities.

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October 29, 2007, 7:02 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I believe the mother could have avoided alot of the problems here. Firstly, whether the father knew or not, she knew. She committed a fraud and so far has profitted from it. The affair was the catalyst for this whole situation. Should the father have told the little girl like he did, no, but I do understand how hurt he was and how upset he would have been. If it is not the money, then mom never should have gained or accepted support for her and she should have shared the secret with the dad and therefore the two of them could have developed a plan to either tell the girl or not, but, with both of their minds going in the same direction. This little girl is hurt and this all could have and should have been avoided. This problem is between these two people and no others in relationships with them. Mom, quit trying to profit from fraud, dad, think before you ever do something like this again. Both of you have to now think about this young girl who will struggle attempting to come to grips with this whole situation.
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:02 pm PDT

Father of 3 Daughters

First off I would like to applaud Mr.Smith.

As a father of of 3 Beautiful Daughters I would be Totally devastated,to find out down the road,

that I am in fact not the father of Anyone of them.

I agree Enrique should not pay Future child support.

I should also point out that I DO NOT agree with the way he broke off THIER relationship( SELENA)

I should also point out that if it was me, I would try to do what I could for SELENA.

As for the Birthmother I think she should face legal charges.

As for the step-dad Chris, some advice, Once a CHEATER always a CHEATER. RUN.

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:02 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I TOTALLY agree with you! I am going to be going through the same situation with my fiance because he had doubt by a whore he slept with twice in his whole life with a condom second time she supposedly had sex with him when he was passed out  but the dates don't add up,  that both kids were his, but said ok to it to save the headachebut it's caused more of a headache now, because she's wanting to have him sign custody over so it raises question as to why she wants to do that now. But, I find the court system crappy in any situation and especially with custody. And everyone tends to blame the "new wife" but men are smart and can think for themselves and they have the right to question. Obviously the marriage didn't  work, so how reliable is the "mother of his kids" esp like in my fiance's case where the mother is a drug addict, how stable is she then since she has to rely on drugs, are you truely going to believe an abuser? Trusting a mother's opinion that chooses to practice drawing blood from her 5 yr old son??? and the CP did NOTHING about it! So, Indiana is just as screwed with the whole CP and custody and child support  I really didn't like that lady she needs to find another hobby instead of supporting the whores out there. I really do agree wtih you though! It sux that all that money was spent to come to find out you could no longer see the kids, but I hope that it is successful for us too, in either situation.

Good luck to you ! I am saddened to see more people going through the same thing. It is so wrong ! Stay strong, and hang in there ! Doing the right thing is never an easy road to go down, but, in the end, you will see it was worth it to stand up and demand people do the right thing.

Best of everything to you !

 

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October 29, 2007, 7:02 pm PDT

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Quote From: taylorpoo4eva

I understand that she did not tell her husband about her affair, but how do you love & raise someone then one day u decide not to??? Just because your not the biological parent of a child does not mean its not yours[or your the parent. If so then what is adoption?? I mean he was her father for almost 10YEARS you know.....how do u disown a child, especially one that had no control over who made her. ITS NOT HER FAULT..NOT 1 BIT.  How would you feel if your dad didn't wont you....ummm not so good!!

About the child support thing.....YES i think he should have to pay child support. Because if you helped raise the child and called your self the father, then you get a divorce you should absolutely pay, even if shes not BIOLOGICALLY yours.
We agree!
 
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