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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 9:36 am PDT

parent trap

Dr. Phil, I have never posted on any talk show boards, however I do feel very strongly about this also. Ms. Allfed, I felt was off subject a couple of times and her statments made me cringe. I have been on both sides of child support {paid and recieved} and it always amazed me how different the laws are when it is mother verses father. I raised two stepchildren and provided 1/2 the income, but knew it would be that way and it was part of the decision making process when they came to live with us. I'm very glad I did it, because I now not only have three daughters but also two grandsons. And I want to state that I see  no line between biological and non-biological. But that's me, and everyone could argue their side until doomsday. What's sad about this situation is that when she lied she altered his life outcome. If he would've known, maybe he would've  moved on and been in another loving trusting relationshipand had many children.  I don't feel he should be made to pay support, it should be his decision and he probably would continue to provide help becuse obviously he does still love this child. It's easy for some other person like ms. Allfed to say he should have to pay, but she rich and doesn't really care how he lives day to day just as long as she wins. Some fathers made to pay extreme amounts are living on nothing then can't also provide the {fun stuff} when they have their children and then feel bad about that!   It was just wrong that she lied, and it irritates me when women use children to get money. I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around. It's to bad she didn't see that years ago.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:38 am PDT

Can't believe Maria

Where on earth is the natural father of this child.  I'll bet Maria did not choose him to be on the birth certificate because he did not have any money.  What a shame.  Someday Selina will be looking him up if her mother even knows his name.  I believe Selina is a very inteligent girl but speaks from what she hears from her mother.  Tell that lady atty. to stay in Ca. and try to sell her book.  I would not read it if she gave it to me.   This show is just telling young girls to go have sex with anyone and put his name on the birth certificate if you get pregnant.   HE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANDY CHILD SUPPORT, IN FACT WHY DOESN'T SHE PAY HIM back for all the support money he has paid.  
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:40 am PDT

Couldn't agree more!

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   I feel there should be repercussions for these mothers that do this. It needs to be the mans decision if he wants to father the baby after he knows the truth, so it spares the child for the hurt and the pain that this child is going through. As a single mother that has watched the pain in my kids eyes from having troubled relations with their father, i would have given up anything for them to have a good father. So if these women do this i do not feel these men should  NOT have to pay child support ( unless they choose to help financially) and just continue the relationship that was started. AND I FEEL THESE MOTHERS SHOULD BE PUNISHED JUST LIKE WE GO AFTER DEAD BEAT DADS!!!  So maybe in the future other women will think twice before letting 10 years go by, or just plain deceiving these men and children.

What gives women the right to make a man go through this?  As a mother, I would NEVER want to put my child through this...shame, shame, shame on the mother!  The child never gets to know their real parent (which isn't always a bad thing) but they were never given the oppurtunity and when the man that was the father finds out, he now has to deal with the fact that his child isn't really his child.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:41 am PDT

No, Gloria, that is NOT "the" problem here

Gloria goes off about THE problem being fathers not paying support for their own children ... yeah, like the Bioloigical father in this case -where is he?  She says...and the mothers have to go on welfare -- What, it's better for ONE man, as in this case, to have to foot the bill, even when he is NOT the father?

 

I also don't think this mother would have to go on welfare. She can work, and has someone wiling to help support, and could go after the biol. father.  What she did is fraud, and she should be grateful to her ex for providing for her child, not trying to get more.  Don't mix up the issues.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:48 am PDT

Parent Trap

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As a women it amazes me how women treat the fathers of their children.  When they lie to the men as to who is the father they are also lying to their children.  As a stepmother to an 18 year old son who's mother tried to deny my husband his rights to his son for 18 years including stating he wasn't his in hopes he would go away I have seen the pain these women cause for both the children and their fathers.  In our case he is much closer to his father than his mother......these women should not be able to force the wrong father to support the child.   The child support system allows there women to play games with these men and in some cases put great financial stress on their lives because of their immoral acts

I agree with you about the things women will do to keep the man they despise from the own children.  If you can't stand the man don't have his baby, this is a lifelong decision and your child has to live with your choices.  Here's a real eye opener, what you do to your child will effect society.  Anger and bitterness can come out in such negative ways on the unsuspecting public, just because of your personal issues.  Please pick wisely or at least put your personal feelings aside for the sake of the children and the greater population at large.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:48 am PDT

The mother is to blame

 The mother is to blame if she had told him the truth from the beginning this child would have grown up knowing that he was not the father and not have been hurt. She knew from the beginning this was not his child and lied to him for the money. She knew he would have left her the minute he found out. By her own words they were having problems in their marriage.

 He was wrong by telling her the way he did but I think his anger and hurt and maybe him not wanting to be a part of the lie is what drove him to tell her. Is there any good way to tell a child this information. I dont think so any way told is still going to hurt the child very bad. But  I think he is living in his own hell and wishes he had told her in another way and had kept the relationship going.

 I do believe that the mother only wants the money and should be ashamed of herself she is the one who caused this problem and sits there and smiles about it. She knew when that child was born that he was not the father. She may not even remember who the father is and knows she will not get any money from him. She just wants the money and I dont think he should have to pay for a child that is not his. It should be his choice if he wants to continue to pay or not. She made decisions for him that she had no right to make. I hope that the child and the dad can try and work threw this and mom needs to stay out of it. Mom needs to go to childsupport and tell them she will no longer accept support for that child. But I am sure she will not do that. This is about money not her daughter.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:50 am PDT

parent trap

Gloria Allred must be mad. How would she like it if her husband was paying child support for a child that wasn't his. If you trust your wife why would you asked for a paternity test. I know if my husband asked me that  question after giving birth we probably would have divorced that day. I think the child should not be punished for what the parents do. They should be shown the  same love but the man should  not continue to pay child support that then should be the mother's duty to find the biological father for continued support.
 

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October 29, 2007, 9:51 am PDT

today's show...

i had the same thing happen with me and my 2 kids. my lawyer as a standard procedure asks his divorce clients to get tested. i never had any suspicions. anyway, i have been divorced for 6 years now and still have a great relationship with my kids. (yes, i still say "my") they do not know anything about the situation. i was really hoping the show would get into some real answers or suggestions on how to deal with this and how to help the kids deal with this. i admit i am not a fan but i did take time off from work to be able to watch this. i will also admit that i was hugely disappointed because no real information was given. Dr Phil, even after giving the teaser right before the commercial break, still offered no valid opinion on the subject.

i could go on and on about the show and the situation but i really only have two questions. where do i go to get help with this? who has experience in dealing with situations like these?
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:52 am PDT

Right

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If any harm was brought about to the child for her "father" leaving the picture upon learning results of paternity, it falls on the mother, for only her commited any fruad.

 

It's bull that a man who was victim to her trickery, whether for 10 months or 10 years, must now be a willing participant of her deciet for the child's sake.

 

The mother put her child in that position, knowingly.  She knew full well what the risks were if he knew the actual paternity, which explains why her mouth was shut for so long.  She should be on trial here by not just the man, but by her child as well. 

 

Im sure the child will experience anger and abandonment towards who she believed was her father, but again, that falls on the mother.He should not be responsible to the feelings the child will experience that are a direct and predictable result of her mother's fraudulant entrapment of man, paternity be damned.

 

The mother set up the house of cards, the mother is responsible for the collapse of her scheme, and has A LOT of explaining to do to her child, and hopefully, to the courts.

 

If the mother is not held responsible for fraud and is instead given right to continue recieving 'royalties' for her behavior, what lesson does that teach the child exactly?  Many children emulate their parents and repeat patterms of their parents.  How does forcing a man, who has been a victim of deceit, continue to pay for a child that isn't his, teach a child anything other than how to emotionally entrap people for personal gain?

 

It's a shame any children of similar circumstances will have to experience the hurt they will experience.  But unfortunately for these children, it was the mother who willfully put their children on the betting table, and only their mother let the bet ride.

 

It's too bad society is set up that the odds are in the mother's favor.

 

Entrapment of men with children/pregnancy is the oldest and most prevalent scam committed.  Women be crazy when it comes to their man and money.  The idea that a mother wouldn't use children/pregnancy for her own gain and/or manipulation is an idea that deserves to be blown to smithereen's.  Its just. not. true.

 

And so there's no confusion, Im a woman, and today's topic is one of many reasons why women give women such a bad name.  I am shamed by my gender today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 You are so right the mother is at fault for all of this there should be a judgement placed against the mother for every dime of support this man paid.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:55 am PDT

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I do not think the man should have to still pay childsupport for this child, however i do think he still should continue to be a part of the childs life.

 
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