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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 9:55 am PDT

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I believe that the way this truth unfolded was wrong, for sure.  But, I do not believe the mother is accepting her responsibility in it at all.  This mother, from the way it sounds after viewing the show, did know from the beginning who the father of the child was, and at that time she should have made the correct decision for the child and spoke the truth .  The way this father handled finding out the truth was devistating for all parties involved, and can never be taken back.   Although the mother claims it is all about money, I think it goes way deeper than that.  He was hurt, and felt betrayed, and did not think before he reacted.  I believed that both parents have behaved badly, and although the initial betrayal was due to the mother's lies,  the father's response by betraying his daughter was no better.  They are both at fault and need to start thinking of the children, because they are both affected by this terrible ordeal.  I just hope for the children's sake, that these adults can actually start acting like adults, and help everyone to move on with their lives.  
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:55 am PDT

The real Father

Where is the real father, he has a right to know that he has a daughter out there. And he might want to be a part of her life???????????

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:56 am PDT

What kind of man does that?

What kind of man just abandons what he has known as a daughter. If he knew he couldn't have children he should have questioned it a long time ago. He chose to raise this child he should continue to do so. If he doesn't want to pay child support then just get joint physical/legal custody. Then everyone wins the daughter still has her father and he won't have to pay the mother for her cruel dishonesty. The mother on the other hand has definately done her daughter an injustice by not allowing her to know her real father. And showing her that it is okay to not be faithful to your husband. Marriage vows are sacred and she ruined that image for both of her children.
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:01 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I feel that the man and the child are total victims here. The mother should be ashamed. The worst part on her is that she still wants money.  People like her give women a bad name.  We were in a simular situation, but my husband knew that his oldest was not his he still took that responsibility.  When the child was 12 she started to get out of control because of her mother's lack of parenting her mother told her that my husband was not her father and used her birth father against him.  We took custody and took her into our home for 3 years tried to change the damage that her mother had done and our relationship has been completely torn apart.  My husband and I actually had to seperate for a while to figure out how to fix out marriage.  The mother still has a few posibilities of who the father is, she has turned my step-daughter against my husband with "THE NEW DAD" and I wish more than anything there was a law to hold these women responsible for their lies and manipulation!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:01 am PDT

Very Good Points

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In My Opinion

The only thing Enrique did wrong was involving the children. A married man should wear a condom? He should suspect his wife of having an affair and bearing the child of another man? Really?

Maria is wrong, period. She had the affair, she knew there was a possibility this was not this mans biological child and she did not have the morals to prove Selina was his before she pursued and received child support from him. Maria should be ordered to re-pay the support. Enrique should then invest that money for both the girls future.

I do think Mia should stay home and quietly support her husband. Mainly because I feel her physical presence there, creates an "us against them" environment that can only further the distance between Enrique and Selina. 

Some guy out there is Selina's biological father, yes, but as far as we know, not even he is aware of that. Why should he be responsible for back pay? Really, why?

It's sad it's about money, but it is. As all of life seems to boil down to sex and money.

I can speak on this money issue firsthand. Speaking as a mother of 4, two of which we are adopting. Children don't need money to be happy, to thrive, what they need is love, someones eyes they can look into and see nothing but love reflected back, they need a sense of security, they need food, they need shelter, they need clothing. We would be considered poor. However my children have everything they need, food, shelter, clothing, and love. The finances are our problem, not theirs. We could attempt to seek child support from their biological parents, however no amount of money is worth the stress it would bring on the children. We did not take the children on in order to profit financially, we took them because their biological parents finally proved to the courts, beyond all doubt, that drugs were more important to them than the children, and there was no-one else to take them other than DHS or us.

If Maria feels her needs for Selina cannot be met without Enrique's support, I suggest she get a job, or a second or third job, if necessary. Maybe she'd make a better investment of her time in providing what Selina really needs.

One day Selina is very likely to see the injustice her mother is doing her by continuing this battle for money and keeping her life in a constant state of stress.

Women like Maria make me feel embarrassed to be a woman. But then I suppose I should thank her for making me work harder at being the best person I can be.

I continue to be baffled at people just not getting that most (I said most, not all) men simply do not have the connection with their children (biological or not) that women do. They just don't. It's not something they are trying to inflict, and I really don't know whether it's nature, nurture, or, most probable, a combination of the two. I don't think it's fair to expect people to live up to what we think is right if it simply isn't within them.

1.  If a man is married to a woman that doesn't suspect her of cheating, why would he question if the baby is his or not?  Personally, I don't care if you're married or not, every baby that comes into the world should have have a pat. test done!  That way good men are protected from malicious/decitful women. 

 

2.  So they track the bio. father down.  He is told he has to pay support and back support.  How is that fair to him?  This woman has robbed him of being in his child's life and then he gets to pay her?  This happened to a friend of mine in Ohio.  He was served court papers to appear for a child support hearing?  He went only to find out that an ex-girlfriend had a baby, which turned out to be his, and never told him.  The "baby" was now 7, and had health problems that the government had paid to fix.  He was ordered not only to pay back child support but to re-imburse the govt!!  He was married and had two kids, they had to remortgage their house for this!  How was that fair to those kids?  The kicker, he wasn't allowed to see his child.  The court found that if he didn't care enough to make sure he hadn't gotten that girl pregnant he didn't need to see said child!!!!  What a pay off for that mom, who now lives off of him!  What a sad story for the guy, because of the financial strain that put on him, he and his wife split up.  Now we have two more kids from a broken home.  Yes, he is responsible for the children he produces but if there is a limit on the time you can contest paternity, shouldn't there also be a time for irresponsible mothers to tell the fathers?

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:05 am PDT

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I can't believe some people would think it is OKAY for a man to have to take care another mans child! That's totally ludacris. I can see where he shouldnt of cut off contact with the child, but there is NO WAY that women should still be pursuing child support. WHY should he have to pay for her mistakes? HE should of still had a relationship with the girl but he shouldn't have to pay ANYTHING.

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:06 am PDT

Non Biological Family

I am writing to speak on the crime of parent picking could be known also as telling someone they are your babies father and finding out years later that it is not true.

 

I titled my message Non Biological Family, because not only is the father not the childs bio but now the whole family is not a bio family (Grandmothers/Fathers/Aunts/Uncles/Cousins) and this effects everyone.

 

I think this fraud should be punishable by law and that father's and families should be able to sue the mothers who did not disclose that they were sleeping with other men.

 

It is a no win situation, in our case the mother refuses to tell our daughter who her bio father might be and she does not admit to any wrong doing.

 

I hope others have a better outcome they we have.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:06 am PDT

Children have a right to know....

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tuna10 i am curious as to why you keep blaming the  'new wife' ...is there something that hits home for you here?
I am Mia the current wife. I first want to say my heart goes out to Enrique and Selina and everyone else involved. I don’t feel it is my place to tell my husband how to feel about this devastating mess. I suggested the possibility that Selina was not his daughter only after weeks of praying and discussing the topic with my daughter. I had my suspicions in the beginning but chose not to voice them. It was my daughter who talked me in to discussing this with my husband. As my very wise daughter pointed out; Selina needs to know her medical history and her ethnical background, at a minimum. I have never participated in tearing anyone’s family apart. I have compassion and pray for everyone in this situation to find some peace and yes, that includes Maria and the children. It’s my firm believe and wish that Selina should have a trust fund and any child support money should go into that fund for her to do with as she chooses when she turn’s 18. I’ll stand by that!

Peace to you and your family!
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:09 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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There should be no fussing over this one. Biological father should pay ex-husband back child support and the ex-husband should be given a court order for visitation to see the child. The child should be told in the presents of mental health professional and have access to a professional on a regular basis.

I don't think the bio should should have to repay the ex-husband because it isn't his fault he never knew. I think the wife should have to repay the ex-husband, since she committed the fraud. I do believe the bio dad should have to pay from the day he finds out forward, but shouldn't have to pay any back support, since the mother CHOSE not to contact him and let him know to begin with like she should have done.

Just something to think about.
I agree with everything else though.

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:12 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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So it's the mother's fault??? Mr. Dad has eyes so why wait until wife number two comes along to question his parenthood? Maybe step mom wants the money to stay home. You don't love and care for a child for ten years then say since I found out your not my daughter see ya!!!! Yes maybe mom was wrong in not telling but how much more Selina would be adjusted if she didn't have to be told by a trip to the park and then abandonment. I'm fifty nine and still in treatment for past experiences that were not my fault. Don't you think that Mom isn't taking responsibility ,she lives with her child and I'm sure when sister goes off to visit Dad that Mom is home comforting her daughter and realizing what she has done. Raising children is expensive and child support doesn't make a dent. Yes, Chris should adopt Selina and give her the father she needs for the rest of her life. My husband treated our daughter as his own and she knew she was loved. She was told when she was sixteen. She never asked about who her father was until she was in her twenties when she made the choice to find out. This didn't happen at such a tender age as Selina. Mr. Dad was only thinking of himself and maybe Mom was trying to let things slide to have things not turn out how they have.As far as step Mom She's totally at fault to butting in and hurting a beautiful young girl. Maybe for a little extra money in her pocket. I hope both girls continue to bond as sisters and have a loving family.

Why wait ? Probably denial. It can do a lot.

Maybe wife #2 didn't want money going out to support someone else's child - would you?

 

I don't think the "father' should have stopped seeing the daughter, and wonder if he was advised to stop while contesting support. There should be no connection between visitation and support.... men  are not paying for their visits, as many seem to think.

 
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