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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:36 pm PDT

Two wrongs not right - change needed

Hi Dr Phil as a all the time vierwer, I was disappointed with the show today because I so love children but the fact for me is that the woman or women who do such things (cheat or have affairs during marriage or relationships) do hurt first the children and then as I saw it today was given a pat on the back for doing wrong.   I do give a lot of hands up for the young man who was very intellegent on the matter because he has been through it.  I don't think that Mrs. Gloria was making any sense when she tried to down play his wisdom.  He like many others as the other man said are douped into doing things that is not right.  I do pray that the child or children that do go through this do get the love, care and respect that they so do deserve.  The mother that did have an afair was WRONG and it is not right to pat her on the back like that and then we as a woman can then say that when a man do this we lfret and call the men names, two wrongs do not make it right.  Mrs. Gloria I do appreciate all that she did for us as women but today you did not get my vote you were talking to much and saying nothing but trying to make your self look good.  And Dr. Phil I was disappointed for I thought you were more selling her book more than seeing the everyday need as you usually do of every small for lack of a better word or getting down to reality with those who do not have the as much either financially or as educated.  But today this young man showed up for people like me THANK YOU SIR.   Thanks againg Dr. Phil and all the best to your show.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:37 pm PDT

sue every mother

If men were allowed to sue these women, there wouldnt be so much harm to these children!!!! These women need to take responsibility and tell the potential father if he may not be the father. If we had this law in all 50 states then we wouldnt have so many children not knowing who their father is. Its about time to have some rights for the father!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:37 pm PDT

Selfishness

I only caught the last 20 minutes of this show tonight, but I can say that I formed an opinion right away, just from the little bit I watched. The child should be completely left out of the problem here, and shouldn't even be involved to KNOW that Enrique was not her real father, until she was mature enough to know the truth.

The problem here however, lies with the mother. She was extremely selfish in both having an affair, and then letting Enrique pay child support when the child wasn't his. People really need to learn to be responsible for their actions and to think of other's feelings. She hurt both her child and her ex husband by being a cheat, a liar, and then taking child support fully knowing the truth.

NO man should be forced to pay child support for another man's child.

However, Enrique, should have continued being the father as he always has, and just informed his ex wife that he would no longer support with money. Any monetary support would need to be voluntary.

He should always show his daughter love and be committed to be there for her. You don't  just walk away. It was no fault of the child's that her mother was devious.

No matter how the issue was brought to light.. if the mother hadn't of been selfish, none of this would have ever happened. Karma will always come back to bite those who deserve it. This woman got to be called a fraud on National TV. Hopefully she learned something.

Gloria Allred, has no clue. She was arguing about how men don't pay child support and that is the real problem in America.. Well, Gloria my dear, that wasn't what this show was about. She shouldn't have even been on there, she just made herself look bad.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:37 pm PDT

Step up to the plate.

What I don't understand while watching this show is why the mother never once owned up that she's also at fault here.  Throughout the show it seems only the ex-husband is being blamed for his actions.  Why didn't Dr. Phil point out that he "mother" also plays a big role in why the girls are hurting especially Serena.  I don't agree that the ex-husband should have cut the relationship off with Serena cold turkey like that.  That was unfair to Serena considering she had no clue either, if anything she only knew him as her father.  I do understand why he feels he shouldn't be financially responsible considering she has a biological father out there somewhere who should be made responsible.  Who knows...Serena's biological father may be a decent guy and want to be in Serena's life, why isn't that question put on the table? 

It really irks me that the mother kept pointing fingers at everyone else but herself.  She's the one that had an affair, she's the one that knew there could have been a possibility that Serena was not his child.  Why wait 10 years later to admit to the truth.  She was willing not only to live a lie but to let her daughter live a lie so long no one found out..?  Of course the truth will come back to haunt you and it only ended up hurting Serena the most.  The mother can not honestly sit there and say that her ex-husbands current wife was the reason why it all started.  She's still indenial or she just can't admit that she did wrong. 

The other thing that really annoyed me also was the constant mention of the only reason why the ex-husband bailed out was due to not wanting to pay child support.  You think she would be more concerned about her daughters feelings.  How about apologizing to her daughter that she kept that secret to herself all those years and that she's sorry her daughter had to find out about it that way.  How about comforting Serena instead of feeding Serena's head that her father left her only for financial reasons.  Honestly that interview that Dr. Phil had with Serena when he asked why she thought her dad left and she answered that she thinks it really was only so he could pay less child support.  That sounded like an answer that her moms been feeding her constantly to a point where Serena really believes that's the reason but I honestly don't think that's what Serena originally thought. 

It's ashame that the father made such a haste decision like that.  I still believe he could have maintained his relationship with his daughter.  I understand him feeling betrayed and why he feels he shouldn't have to be responsible financially but why should that affect the relationship he already has.  It seems like he does regret his decision.  If anything I feel bad for everyone but the mother. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:38 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Vickie,

This is well put.  I do not think Gloria Allred should be defending this action.  She gets press and money from being outspoken.  Salena is stuck in the middle.  Her dad should have possibly used a little more tact in telling her, possibly have cooled down and thought it through before he told her, but I agree that she needed to know.  The biological father should be held responsible not getting off scott free because of someone else's lies and trickery.

 

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I really agree with you both. the dad should have used more tacted but and i do say but he is not the one who created the mess but we hold him responsable.  i mean we expected him to continue to be dad and support this child emotionally and finanically. if he choses to do so on his own great . but the bio dad needs to be help responsable. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:38 pm PDT

Two wrongs do not make a right

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This is the first time I have responded to the Dr. Phil show! This show tore me up inside. Enrique and his girlfriend or wife or whatever she is makes me sick, she kept saying Oh, she lied, she lied, are you kidding , she doesn't care about the child she's interested in the money. We have gotten to be such a money grubbing society that we'll stop at nothing. If she truly cared about the child she would have encouraged Enrique to see the girl not just suudenly abandon her. If he had some backbone he would put the childs feelings before the girlfriend's bullshit!!!  Excuse my french!  As for Gloria, I like her and I'm going to purchase her book. I have a daughter whose ex has not paid child support, paid for any school fees, books, clothes, food, shelter for a year and a half for five children, which by the way are his  4 biologically, and one he adopted. She has to take whatever work she can to keep her head above water working long hours Night hours. I don't see many men going to jail for not paying child support they find ways to dodge around it. If the woman can't afford an attorney and you have to wait for a public defender you children could be grown before they get to your case. Poor men I feel soooo sorry for them HA. HA.!!!
Just because you have a bitter exprerience with your ex please do not paint all men with the same brush. I t sounds like your bitterness has trumped your logic and sense of decency and fair play. Are you saying that a women who cheats on her husband and commits adultry and lies about it is ok to fool the very man she vowed to love? I have advised all my male off spring to be very, very careful who they see and don't trust any skirt.!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:38 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

After watching the show I was angry that Maria had the audacity to ask Enrique to continue to pay child support for a child that is not his.  She should be asking the biological father.  Futhermore, it's ridiculous that Maria puts the blame on Mia for urging Enrique to do a DNA test.  Yes, Enrique had very poor judgement in telling Selena that he was not her biological father at the park.  However, he should be allowed to rebuild a relationship with Selena if she agrees to it.  It's very unfortunate that Maria has caused this pain in her daughter and someday Selena will see that her mother is to blame for her infidelity and hiding her lie.  
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:39 pm PDT

Parent Trap comment

Before I start, don't get me wrong I do feel for the child, However I feel as if this mother should be prosecuted for fraud.  Maybe he should have acted better to the news of the dna test and thought before he acted, however now that things are done, he should take his ex-wife to court and sue her for fraud, along with the biological father for back child support that he has already paid.  This makes me so angry that women now  days think that they can get a free ride from men.  They are equally responsible, more so when they decieve others.  In closing I just want to say that the girl really seemed to have it all together, considering what she haas been through in the last three years.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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AMEN!  I think something should have been said to this new woman (and maybe it was but it wasn't aired).  She isn't supporting that he had two daughters but is angling to sever ties to one for her own gain.  Shame on her!  So many people are focusing on the mom and dad but the real problem here lies in the anger and jealous actions of the second wife.  It is a shame that this angle was not really explored because I know this occurs in families.

Good lord !!! Give me a break !  Always so damn easy to blame the second wife, huh??  What about the fact that the so called mother is the one who caused all of this???  There is NO ONE else to blame here except HER !!!  She is now a proven liar, and whore, and yet, all you can say is the second wife is to blame ?   Or is it that you think the man is to dumb to think on his own??  Is he a puppy that just follows behind the new wife ? He did not seem to be an idiot. Not at all !!!!   You obviously have no clue the devastation these lies the mother told can exact !!  Jealousy???!!!!  NO ------ it's called standing by your husband who has been wronged beyond belief !!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:40 pm PDT

What about the Mom's liability???

I was apalled at the way so much criticism was heaped on Enrique, and his ex-wife was rather casual about the whole mess which was of her making.  I think Dr. Phil could have come down a little bit harder on the mom and asked what SHE felt her responsibility is in resolving this mess--she deserves to go to the Dr. Phil House for some soul searching.   I take my hat off to Enrique's current wife--she refused to allow this man to be continually made a fool of by his ex-wife who obviously had no respect for him.  Women know other Women, and often times can see through games that some women play when a man cannot see the light,    I think the ex-wife just wanted to keep that child support coming from a "medicine man" rather than the real father who is probably the "milk man".  She had her hooks on support payments from a doctor, and she liked it that way.   Unfortunately in these situations, the child involved has to suffer and that is most unfortunate.  Enrique made a huge mistake in the way he handled breaking this news to Selena, and he should have sought professional help in doing that.  As Dr. Phil said, that should have been handled among the adults involved--including the true father in my opinion.  I'm afraid in that instance, he allowed his hurt and anger to cloud his thinking.  In the State of TN, Maria would have had to forefit child support once DNA proved that Enrique was not the father.   She would have the option of pursuing the true biological father, but she would not have had further claim against Enrique.    This is not just about the money, but the money is also important, particularly for those men who may not have the resources of Enrique.  The average working man may be struggling to take care of his true biological children without supporting someone else's child.  Gloria Allred was SO WRONG when she tried to insinuate that this case was an exception!!--if she believes that nonsense, she is really out of touch.  She had better stop talking so much and listen to  the Carnell Smith's of the world.  That brother was "right on", and he ran circles around Gloria--she tried to talk over him but could not sensibly answer his questions.   I agree with Gloria that there are too many men who are shirking their responsibility to provide for their children, but that was totally not applicable to Enrique's case--Gloria sounded like she was reciting from a prepared script that had nothing to do with this case.  Gloria sounds like she is in favor of holding "any man" responsible--even if it is not the "right" man, just may somebody PAY.  Enrique was NOT a deadbeat dad--the deadbeat is the man "yet to be named" by the mom, Maria.  She should have been ashamed, but she is a golddigger and  by looking at her persona during this discussion, I feel she has NO remorse at all, and certainly no shame.   I feel there is a special corner of Hades  for women like Maria who pull such unforgivable stunts on men and on innocent children.  I hope and pray that Selena and Enrique can heal their relationship as she grows older and realizes that Enrique was also hurt in this matter.  Hopefully Enrique and Selena can one day have a friendly relationship--after all, he has supported her all those years when it was not his responsibility.
 
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