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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 10:12 am PDT

Good Move

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Dear Dr. Phil

 

 

This is a subject that is very near and dear to my heart.  I am a 35 yr old divorced mother of three.  I just found out 3 years ago that my first born child is not my ex-husband biological child.  We were not married when I had her in June of 1992.  He and I met in August 27,1991 and had not started anything sexual until about 4 days after meeting.  He and I were together until he left around the first or second week in September.  I did meet someone else about 2 weeks after he left, and had one evening with this person.  My boyfriend then called me after returning back to Guam and told me he felt that I was pregnant and to get a test.  I did so and sure enough I was pregnant.  At that time I never felt that this other person was even a factor because he and I had been together so much.  This year at the end of our marriage he then asked for a paternity test of the first child.  I didn't have anything to hide so I went down and to my surprise he wasn't her father.  I can't explain to you how this has ruined my and my daughters life.  Although he still says he is her father and continues to see her.  I feel less of a person at times because of this one night.  When I found out he wasn't her father I called him and apologized trying to let him know that I wasn't being deceitful, nor trying to "trick" him in anyway.  He pays child support for her and from watching your show I truly don't know how to feel.  He has gone on with his life with someone else who at first when the paternity question was up sent the letter to my home with a kiss print on the back as if to poke fun at me.  When to me all the matters is my daughter.  She would go over to the home he shares with her and this woman would talk badly about me outwardly where my daughter could hear.  After 13 years of being her father and my husband he turned his back on us a a family.  There is much more to the story meaning I guess why he left me as he did, but truly from the bottom of my heart I never meant to hurt him.  I don't know if I should try to look for her biological father or if I should leave things as they are.  I would like for my daughter to have someone to talk to as I also feel like I let her down.

 

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help!!!! mom in distress

I applaud your efforts to correct your wrong; however, as you stated, you did not know in the beginning that your husband wasn't the father - so by virtue of your own admission, there should not be any ill feelings from either father or child.  You've done all that anyone could ask, and that was to be honest & forthwith the information that you knew re: who your child's father was.    Pray about what steps you should take now and know that God will help you through and also know that forgiveness has NO STATUE OF LIMITATION.
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:15 am PDT

Are YOU a second wife?

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There seems to be lots of opinion about the sins of the mother and the horrible response of the "dad" but has any one including Dr. Phil thought to ask why the second wife would even bring up her suspicions regarding paternity with the man she "loved"?  She apparently met him as a man with two daughters and it seems needlessly cruel to me that she decided to even open up the possibility that he was not the biological father.  Was it for love or money? What was she really trying to achieve? She was quite smug in the face of a childs pain and Dr. Phil let her off way to easy! Was there any merit in both taking away the girls father and publicly stamping the scarlett A on the mom?  This step mom personifies the reasons it's so hard to blend a family.  I know that fathers rights have been trampled on by our legal system but this was a horrible example of a way to get "justice".

Just wondering if you are a second wife?  As a second wife with a man who has three children I am VERY upset at your comment!!  I myself doubted whether my husband was the father of his twin girls, heck he did too, but you know what?!  HE SAID HE WAS NOT WILLING TO FIND OUT THAT ANSWER!!!!  THAT HE LOVED THOSE GIRLS TOO MUCH TO PUT THEM OR HIM THROUGH THAT!!!  Now five years later, I would never dream of him taking that test, those girls are too precious!  There are two points to that story.  One - He made that decision to not question it, even though he thought it and it was brought up in conversation (which he started).  He said that no matter what they would always be his kids anyway so why put them through that?  And his daughters were a year old, not 13!!!  Two - I was tired of his ex "using" him.  They have a shared parenting agreement but we have the kids most of the time and then she wants child support?!  She gets govt. assistance for housing, food, daycare, etc. and wants us to pay for everything that the kids are in and all the medical bills, which we do because it's for the kids, not her.  Wow...if my husband isn't really the father she hit the jackpot anyway, didn't she?  But I guess if someone was using your husband that way you would just stand by and let it go, even if it was hurting your family financially and emotionally.  Main point, it was my husband's decision, just like it was Enrique's.
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:16 am PDT

parent trap?! what about the kid?

 That woman  should be ashamed of herself. Not only did she cheat on her husband and destroy his trust in her. She has created a rift of trust between herself and her child! A teenage girl's best friend and confidant, advisor on things feminine should be her mom.
How is this child going to trust her mother? Why should this child trust her mother?
Adn why does this woman not understand how her selfishness has ruined so many lives?
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:17 am PDT

Why did Dad tell?

I am just wondering, after Dad discovered the truth and Mom knew the truth, why didn't Mom tell Selena right away that he wasn't the father?  Again, she didn't take responsibility.  It was her responsibility to her daughter to tell her the truth.  Instead, she didn't and left it to Dad.  Now, the daughter is very upset with Dad.  Yes, she should be upset with her father for the way it happened.  She has every right to feel the way she feels now.  Dad handled it badly.  However, Mom should have taken the time and explained to her own daughter what was going on and that maybe "Dad might be angry at me, and he might take it out on you.  I really think your father loves you, but he will be angry.  I do not know how he will feel when he sees you again.  I am sorry for putting you through this.  I am here for you.  I love you."  Instead, she left it to Dad to tell her and made him out to be the bad guy.  Shame on her again. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:19 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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There seems to be lots of opinion about the sins of the mother and the horrible response of the "dad" but has any one including Dr. Phil thought to ask why the second wife would even bring up her suspicions regarding paternity with the man she "loved"?  She apparently met him as a man with two daughters and it seems needlessly cruel to me that she decided to even open up the possibility that he was not the biological father.  Was it for love or money? What was she really trying to achieve? She was quite smug in the face of a childs pain and Dr. Phil let her off way to easy! Was there any merit in both taking away the girls father and publicly stamping the scarlett A on the mom?  This step mom personifies the reasons it's so hard to blend a family.  I know that fathers rights have been trampled on by our legal system but this was a horrible example of a way to get "justice".

This shouldn't be about the "new" wife. This needs to be about the fact that the mother committed Paternity Fraud!

What does it matter WHY she brought it up? Maybe she had good reason, maybe not.

Besides, I'm sure she had no way of knowing what her husband's choice would be. And shouldn't he be allowed to make whatever choice he wants to since he obviously wasn't told in the beginnning there was a possibility it wasn't his child.

Enrique is only human and I can only imgine how heartbroken he was when he found out this devastating news.

The child is a victim in this, I agree 100%, but Enrique is also a victim.

 

  

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:20 am PDT

This is terrible

I cant believe this crap.  It seems simple.  Men that find themselves in these circumstances should be able to maintain a relationship with the child but not have to pay child support.  These guys are being trapped into paying for a child that isn't theirs.  No matter if they've raised it for 2, 5 or 12 years, whatever.  It is definitely a form of fraud.  I have 3 children and I'm divorced.  I cannot imagine making my ex pay for a kid that isn't his...

I think the Dad in this story handled the situation extremely poorly but the Mother is to blame for the entire situation by lying and entraping him in the first place.

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:21 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

There were 2 issues that weren't discussed.  First what about the rights of the biological father.  Women always know they conceived a child.  This man has the right to know his daughter.  The mother is playing w/ 3 peoples lives, her ex, the daughter, & the biological father.  We kept hearing about Selina feeling abandoned, she hasn't been.  She has a stepfather, a father, and a biological father.  Who she doesn't need is a mother who exploits her for her own agenda. The mother should do the right thing and have the biological father meet Selina, drop the money issues and allow the daughter time w/all her fathers. The second issue is how the father must have felt complete heartbreak to find out that the child he held as his isn't.  And how the daughters are only half sisters.  It is horrible that this wasn't fixed 13 years ago.  Everyone would be settled and still a family.
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:22 am PDT

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I was outraged at both the mother and that attorney "Gloria Allred" and things that she said on your show about "The Parent Trap". I am in the midst of a similar thing right now and felt this show very personally. I do not agree with how he told Selena about the problem and how he has handled it but I believe that it is the mother who should not only be on trial by Selena but also by our court system. When I was 30 years old I met a woman who had a daughter from a previous marriage. The little girl was beautiful but the mother was hard to get along with and causes trouble in my life. I knew I would miss the daughter but after a couple of months of dating was ready to tell her to leave when she annouced that she was pregnant. I paid for the pregnancy, the delivery, and child care as well as clothes and housing and food and all else not only for the son that I thought was mine but for her daughter as well. We lived in Calif. then and I received a job offer in Indiana in 1993 and I hoped that the move might get her away from some negative inluences she had in Calif. so I moved us. It didn't work and we broke up in November of 1993. I paid support and school and medical expenses for the boy from 1993 until Sept. 02 when I became disabled. During this time I have not been able to even visit the daughter, not that I didn't want to. My visitation with the boy depended on her mood or if she wanted more money. I would be brought before the judge if I was a week late on support for contempt but if she refused to allow visitation they would say "Oh well". I got involved with and engaged in 1995 but her actions broke up that relationship and when broght before the judge his words were "well, you two have not been apart for that long, she still needs to get comfortable with this situation. That's 2 years apart and she was married again only 1 year after we split but she can brake up my relationships because she's still healing?

     As this boy has grown up he has been around his "Step-Father" for 11 of every 14 days. I have also seen as he has grown that there are some diffences between us that make me question him being mine. Most notably in the last 3 years. First, we do not look alike at all, he shares no common resemblence with me, second his accademics, I was always a very good student, and third athletically. I was varsity baseball, football, soccor, track and field through out my high school years. I was approached by a MLB team in my junior year to join them after I graduated. I received my pba card at 19 and I've always been a scratch golfer. This boy likes sports but rarely plays because of lack of abilty. 2 years ago with Social Security taking so long she stopped allowing visitation, the court said that when I get caught up with my child support I could see him again. Now he is asking that I sign the papers for him to be adopted by his step father. I could do this but would still be resposible for near $22,000 in back support. I do not want to lose my relationship with him even if he is not mine but if he is not I should not be resposible for this money that I need to survive.

     This brings me to the attorney Ms. Allred. She stated that the child should come first and I agree with her but allowing mothers to continue to control their ex's life through the children and money is just as wrong, especially if the child is not theirs. She also broght up the fact of all of the "MEN" that owe back support to their children. What she didn't say was that on the rare occasions that men get custody the women in these situations are far and above more likely to fall behind or quit paying support than men it's just that there is an overwhelming amount of men that need to pay support so it is most often a male that is behind. If it is truly about the best interest of the child why do our court systems hammer the men for contempt for not paying but not the women for contempt for not allowing visitation? Why do they allow the women to control the man's life, relationships, and all else using the children as leverage?

      When my social security does go through I plan to run DNA tests and if he is not mine then I should not be held responsible for him financially and I should actually be paid back what I have had to pay out, this does not mean I want to lose my relationship with him. Something needs to be done to stop women from using these children in this way and they should be held not only finacially resposible but crimanally as well.

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:23 am PDT

show should have been titled

This show was absolutely unbelievable.  From everyone from the Mother to yes, you Dr. Phil.  First let me say that I am a woman that came from a divorced family in which my biological father just chose not to pay child support.  Unfortunately it was many years ago when laws were not in place to go after dead beat dads.  So with that, I am totally in favor of laws to find dead beat dads or MOMS!!

 

But this show is not simply a black and white case.  This mother deliberately lied to her ex.  Strung him along for many years.  Lied to her daughter and the rest of her family, and simply sits on stage so  smug about it all.  And then a high profile attorney comes on and jabs the dagger into Enrique's heart a little furthur.  Not once did I hear anyone, including you Dr. Phil show any compassion for this man who loved this little girl and one day was told it is not his daughter.  Yes, he made a terrible choice in "HOW" he went about things afterwards.  He admits that.  He shows remorse for that.  Did anyone see any remorse from mom?  All I kept hearing was that this was about the child.  The child comes first.  Well if that is the case then both mom and Enrique should have been put on the chopping block for how they "both" have hurt this child.  And then episode two should have been about  "Financial responsiblities". 

 

Dr. Phil I respect you and most of the time admire you for how candid you are.  But I must say today I was very dissapoined.  Again not once did I hear you express any compassion for Enrique.  What  if your son was walking in Enriques' shoes?  I don't think that you would have sat back showed no compassion for this man. Did I miss the part where you told Enrique that you were sorry for his loss?  Not once did I hear you offer therapy for any of these people other than the little girl.   Obviously, they all will be in need of much counseling. 

 

The comments were made about Serena's outlook on men in her life.  She is fortunate enough to have a stepfather who is willing to go to all lengths to be there for her.  She also has a man in her life who is not her biological father, but who is asking for forgiveness for how he handled things and wants to continue a relationship.  As far as I can see there are two men stepping up to the plate for Serena.  Maybe we should be more concerend about the women in Serena's life.  After all, mom lied, shows no remorse, still has her hand out for more money, and continues to tell Serena in so many word that he is the bad guy.  Wow, what kind of message is that sending? 

 

As far as the financial responsibiity.  Enrique is not the father.  He should pay no child support.  Mom should pay him back if the biological dad cannot be located.  IF biological DAD is located he should have to pay past child support back to Enrique.  Maybe that would push mom to find the biological dad instead of sitting back with her hand out.  She can absorb all costs to find the biological dad.  Enrique shoud be granted visitation rights if Selena is in agreement.  Mom should have no say in that. I bet she wouldn't be so smug about it then!

 

I could go on and on.  This show really hit a nerve with me.  No time today for this but could not sit back and say nothing.  Bottome line- there was a real lack of compassion for Enrique today.  Imagine how your heart would be torn up Dr. Phil if you found out one of your sons really was not your son.  Ms. high profile attorney-YOU need some counsling in expressing some empathy.  Looked to me like you were doing a sales pitch for any potential law suits.  Mom, you would have been better taking a drama class to at least try to act like you care a little bit.  And beautiful Serena, you have many people who love you.  Embrace that and make your own decisions.  People make bad choices when there heart is hurt. With your hurt heart, try not to make bad choices about two men who seem to truely love you. And try to remember, one of those men's heart has been hurt tremendously.  You are a lovely young lady.

 

Dr. Phil, you need to continue this episode. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 10:27 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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So it's the mother's fault??? Mr. Dad has eyes so why wait until wife number two comes along to question his parenthood? Maybe step mom wants the money to stay home. You don't love and care for a child for ten years then say since I found out your not my daughter see ya!!!! Yes maybe mom was wrong in not telling but how much more Selina would be adjusted if she didn't have to be told by a trip to the park and then abandonment. I'm fifty nine and still in treatment for past experiences that were not my fault. Don't you think that Mom isn't taking responsibility ,she lives with her child and I'm sure when sister goes off to visit Dad that Mom is home comforting her daughter and realizing what she has done. Raising children is expensive and child support doesn't make a dent. Yes, Chris should adopt Selina and give her the father she needs for the rest of her life. My husband treated our daughter as his own and she knew she was loved. She was told when she was sixteen. She never asked about who her father was until she was in her twenties when she made the choice to find out. This didn't happen at such a tender age as Selina. Mr. Dad was only thinking of himself and maybe Mom was trying to let things slide to have things not turn out how they have.As far as step Mom She's totally at fault to butting in and hurting a beautiful young girl. Maybe for a little extra money in her pocket. I hope both girls continue to bond as sisters and have a loving family.

Umm, yeah, it's the mother's fault 100%. The step mom never held a gun to Maria's head and forced her to get into bed with someone else while she was still married, and then keep it a secret that Enrique may not be the father.....Mia wasn't even in the picture then.

Just because the child lives with Maria doesn't mean she is taking responsibility for her actions. We don't know that she isn't badmouthing Enrique to her daughter every chance she gets. We don't know what is said.

Yes, maybe Enrique could have handled things differently, but we aren't the one who found out the wife cheated and got pregnant by someone else and that he child isn't ours......everyone reacts differently.

 
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