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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 9:35 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I don't think Gloria Allred ever answered the question "Should fathers that are proved not to be the biological father continue to pay child support"  .  Everyone agrees that the father on this show was wrong in the way he told the child that he was not her father and for discontinuing visitation with her.  The question is whether he should have to continue to pay child support.  I say "NO".  If the mother wants someone to help pay to raise her daughter it should be her responsibility to find the biological father and sue him for child support.  I do, however, feel that the father on the show should have continue to have the father/daughter relationship with the girl and maybe, hopefully, that can be redeveloped when the girl is ready for that. 

 

I commend the step-father for stepping in and being a father figure for the girl. 

 

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October 29, 2007, 9:35 pm PDT

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Where was the biological father in this whole mess?  I would have loved to see him on the Dr. Phil show explaining where he has been the last 13 years.  The mom knows who she had an affair with all those years ago - once DNA officially proved the child was from that relationship why didn't she contact him?

 

This man is the one that the Gloria Alreds in the world should be pursuing, not the ex-husband whose wife cheated on him.  Lawyers go for the money - obviously the ex-husband has money and is worth going after while I suspect the "other man" is either married, broke or dead.  Not a good target.  It's all about the Benjamins...$$$  How pathetic.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:36 pm PDT

Does Gloria Allred argue just for the sake of arguing?

I watch the show on a daily basis and never have I been so compelled to write in until today.  I agree that the child should be the main concern, as in any family-related situation.  What upset me about the show was the way that Gloria Allred condemned Enrique for the manner in which he informed Selena; by taking her to the park and explaining that he was not her biological father.  Yes, Enrique made a mistake and he admitted that mistake.  Yet Gloria never once recognized that the mother started this mess by making an even bigger mistake (make that TWO mistakes; she had an affair AND lied about paternity).  Where's the mother's "slap on the wrist"?  Maybe Gloria Allred, the feminist attorney, needs to stick to arguing women's "rights" only if they ARE RIGHT.  I did agree with her point that too many biological fathers, and mothers, are not paying child support in this country.  Yet in this particular situation, she is missing a key word - BIOLOGICAL.  Kudos to Carnel Smith!! Why does the best interest of the child not include visits and emotional support.... only financial?
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:36 pm PDT

So confusing

It is very true that the person most affected in this case was the little girl. However, the "father" was also a victim. I understand that he doesn't want to pay to support another man's child, but by the same token, if he loves and cares for the child he would want to make sure that she always has a roof over her head, food to eat, and clothes on her back. I am not saying that he should have to LEGALLY pay child support because he shouldn't. He was lied to, and I don't believe that he should have to pay for another man's child. However, if the mother of that child needs resonable help to pay rent to keep a roof over the head of that child, or shoes for the girls feet, he should graciously provide assistance. If he doesn't he just proves that he doesn't care about the well being of that child. My step father never adopted me and never allowed me to call him dad. I know that he loves me, and even though I am 20 years old and live on my own, when I need help with something he is always more than willing to help. There is no legal obligation to anything he just cares about my well being. I honestly think that's the best policy.

 

I do think that the mother in this case is trying to nail him with child support so she can use the money personally. I do also understand that the world revolves around money and courts favor the mothers. Mothers want to rape fathers and "said fathers" of their incomes so they can buy things for themselves. That's why I think instead of child support, the court should come up with some sort of method to where the money goes directly to the child. I think they should be required to take the children clothes shopping every so often. If the fathers just took the children shopping for clothes, it would greatly help out the mothers. Think of how much money mothers spend on clothes every year for their children.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:36 pm PDT

parent trap

i feel that its not about if the mom lying, its about how the so called father handled the situation. i don't feel that he should have to pay child support for a child that is not his but at the same time he been giving her money before he found out she wasn't really his so basically it just a money thing and money shouldn't mean anything if he says he cares about her. The mother isn't right but who cares if she lied this little girl been calling this man her father and he cuts her off because of some money. what type of world is this. my boyfriend is not the father of my oldest daughter but what ever he does for one of his kids, he does for her to.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:38 pm PDT

I have no respect for Gloria Allred now.....

I am very disappointed in Ms. Allred's views on this matter . I agree that the child should not be hurt, but it is wrong to make a man pay for a child that is not his unless he chooses to pay. I believe if men are made to pay for the support of children that do not belong to them that there will be even more young single moms out there. If women are sleeping with several men and they get pregnant they can just decide to say the man who makes the most money is the dad. The female should be required to tell right from the beginning that there is a chance someone else is the father  so that there can be testing and if she does not she should face legal charges.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:40 pm PDT

I agree

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I have to say I could not believe how you allowed that woman to sit on your show, smugly smiling and nodding her head at her ex husband and his new wife like she had no hand in the heartbreak that her daughter was going through. Yes, he definitely made a terrible error. And it was apparant to all that he could not be more remorsefull. So where was the mothers remorse. I kept waiting for you to put her feet to the fire and you never did! She not only lied and cheated on him, she lied and cheated on her two girls. And yet you kept concentrating on the the father. I have to give his new wife credit for quietly continuing to
ask you to see his pain and betrayal in all of this. I understand that your true concern was for their daughter, but if it was not for the treachory of her own mother she would not be in this situation. I feel you sent the wrong message to a world whose moral fabric is already slowly crumbling.
And then there was Gloria Albright! We have a system that is broken. So instead of putting fail safes into the system to make sure that these deadbeat fathers meet their financial reponsibilities to their children, her solution is to let all the decent men in the land pay for them.
Dr. Phil one of the things that made you a household name was that viewers trusted in you to stand up to the cheaters, liers and theives of this world. I cannot speak for everyone else, but I can say for myself that I was dissappointed in Dr. Phil.
I agree with you because at any other time Dr. Phil would have told it like it should've been.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Gloria Allred summed it up very well it is about the Child!!  I am disgusted with this guy and it is all about the money.  What he did to that young girl is sick and very selfish.  His tears meant nothing when you've seen the tears of a child over the loss of a parent who is still alive.  He should have continued to see her no matter what.  I have worked with abused children and also had personal experience of watching the pain of my own children as their father abandon them. 

Wow , Get some help please.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:41 pm PDT

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The phemanist lady is obviousley blinded by her moral thoughts on this subject, the scammed father had nothing to do with this child and when he found out that he was cheated and tricked into paying child support for years he should have the right to take these dna tests and if it is found that the doughter is infact not his own he should be able to totally remove himself from her life if that is what he wishes. although i relize that this is not in the childs best interest, he defiently has the right to.

In a case where the father and daughter are very close and have bonded as father and daughter for years the father should not havet to pay any child support wutsoever but still be able to bond with the child as bassicly a father. if any one should be punished it should be the mother who should be charged with fraud.

 

If anybody has a different opinion and would like to contriverse about this subject, please feel free to i am open to discussion.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:41 pm PDT

Ironic

My thoughts on todays show well. I was emailed to tell my story and my husband not beliving in the justice system said he didnt want to go and tell his story. Well I think after 13 years of fighting with his baby mother whos name is Mary we just realised we cant do anything. I mean they did date and have intimate times. He was stationed in Oklahoma in 1990-1993. He left his base in January of 1993 and headed to Germany with 3 years with military documented orders. He was contacted by this women a few months later that she too was pregnant. He had no plans on staying with her. He decided that before he left the states. She still residing in texas claimed to have gone through the pregnancy and how interesting she had the child 13 months later. On March 4th of 1994, she gave birth to a daughter who once she was admitted to the hospital listed the child as Vanessa Yvonne Qaules (or Oaules) clearly written by herself. Well right under that she changed the childs name to  Scott ( last name listed to protect the child). Well we found that out when I requested medical records. I started to see over the past few years that people saying there was nothing he could do. He allowed himself to be listed years prior on Paternity Waiver as this childs father so he is stuck. People this is a sad world. One would argue why am I his wife addressing this issue for my husband. Well I will say this when I married him he told me up front I have been paying child support for a child who I dont think is mine but because I accepted paternity years ago I am stuck. At that time he said that he accepted this mistake but he was willing to pay since he did this.

 

Now that story changing in 7 years of being with him to countless documents that support he couldnt have fathered this child. He was in another country. He has military orders that support this and nothing reprinted from Kinko's ( I have to joke it helps this not hurt ). A totally different emailed listed on the hospital records.

 

Carnell Smith is a godsent man. Without his story and constant contact with his website family this would continue to be a topic pushed under the rug. My husband spent 22 years of his life in the air force. He retired with honors and has maintained gainful employment since he retired in 2002. He has dont nothing to deserve this but that he trusted someone he thought was a REAL WOMEN. I was shocked to see the resemblense to his ex in Maria the guest. I mean his ex has the same cocky, smart ass (sorry) screw you attitude. The reality is that she is hurting her child more than she will ever hurt my husband. Yes financially is sucks but god always blesses those that give with no limit. I hope the money she receieves every month adds up to the amount of hurt this child now 13 will deal with. One day she will come looking for answers and there will be a file folder filled with documentation of what we have tried to do. Who knows maybe the person who dated her will read this post. If he does or someone who may know who this other man could be please know in advance we had fought with this women for 7 years and she is unwilling to do a DNA TEST. Something a real women who knows she didnt make a mistake would eagerly do.

 

Thank you Dr Phil for helping me the wife of this victim see the side of the child. Yes that is truely a concern. I have to say though how can I the other women find it in my heart to sympathize with this beautiful child when her own mother isnt considering her feelings?????????????????

 
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