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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 9:42 pm PDT

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OUTRAGED! That is the emotions that I felt watching your show. OUTRAGED. I am keeping it nice. the mother showed no remorse or any sort of wrong doing. She was emotionless, heartless and thoughtless, selfish, thief, and some other choice words that I wont go into. How could she as a person live with herself? the nerve of that woman. And the other woman on your show. That Gloria Alred. TERRIBLE. She is a feminist  man hater who came off as so callous to the injustice being done to Enrique. And shes an attorney! Thats the representation that i want from an attorney. What a shame!

 

Many men hate child support the way it has always been. UNFAIR. This is an extreme example of how much men suffer as a result of the courts actions. It changes the whole dynamics as a man. What we can and can't do as a result of divorce. Many men are the worse for wear after divorce and child support. I have been a child of divorce. and a parent of a divorce.  I know both sides and can sympathize with both sides.

 

The mother on that show showed no remorse for the situation that she placed her daughter. She was not interested in her daughters best intentions! SHE created a situation to where when the truth came out. EVERYONE would be affected. And yet she is the example her children have to look up to? If she cared about her daughters well being. Then when she became pregnant and had the baby. She should have told her husband about the affair. she should have given him the opportunity to have a paternity test. And to decide his fate before he became attached  to the child. The mother then could have located Selinas biological father to inform him that she was pregnant and had a child.

 

Here is a solution for her. If the child support wont stop. Then, she should send him back the money! How hard is it for her to be fair to him for once in his life. He deserves that FINALLY! What cowards the mother and father were.  TERRIBLE SELFISH INDIVIDUALS. Its hard to believe that the kids have both of them as parents!

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:42 pm PDT

You know...

As a man, you know that you haven't fathered a child when you keep it in your pants.  Mothers - let's teach our boys.  You will ALWAYS know that you aren't the baby daddy if you didn't do the do.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:44 pm PDT

Vicious Women

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my husband has been in 'the system' of friend of court for over 10 years.  he divorced his ex-wife because of continuous affairs that did result in pregnancy.  despite this the court has continued to perpetuate her fraud - their being of the 'mind' What's in the best interest of the child - forcing him to pay child support.  while we have also been of the 'mind' what's in the best interest of the child was having their 'dad' in their life.  the ex-wife has effectively severed any contact.  there's been no visitations for over 5 years!!  she has told the children who they knew as their 'dad' is not their father but she continues to get child support.  and the courts support her - "can't legislate morality" is what we're told in response to trying to get visitation enforced.  but they can legislate child support.  until year ago we could not find an attorney willing to take on this issue.  most attorney's (like gloria allred) continuing the perpetuation of fraud, misguided belief & their definition of best interest of the child.  there is the paternity act of 1994 that allows for this issue to be addressed yet it's not looked at, nor (to date) has my husband been allowed to bring it into debate.  again, the courts reciting what's in the best interest of the child.  fortunately there is one child who has become of age (is over 18) and has made contact again with her 'dad' - stating he was always there for her as her dad and she's of the belief there's no reason for that to change.  it takes more than biology to father a child.  the mother will only tell her that she's her child and will give no information to the real biological father.  it is extremely frustrating and hurtful to us as well as to the children involved to answer the question of what's in the best interest of the child to be all about money.  with all that you hear about how children raised with both 'parents' being of the childs best interest in the friend of the courts mindset we will continue the path and risk the mental health of our children. 
 Oh, I'm sorry but I hate women like that.....VICIOUS.  When the courts decide they are doing what they feel is in the best interest of the child(ren), do they forget about the emotional baggage some women put on them.  What this woman has done to her children is sick and she should be arrested for child abuse.  It should not have taken over 18 years for one child to have contact with her father, I would hate my mother for putting her emotional needs before mine.  When I divorced my husband no matter how I felt about him (I hated him at that time with a passion) I never let that interfere with his relationship with our children.  They didn't pick their father I did.  I took my anger out on who I was angry with.  My children were not to be involved in GROWN FOLKS BUSINESS.  Kudos to your husband for his not giving up the fight and his reward is that he will have a relationship with his children despite his ex, and in the end isn't it nice to know that everything she did to try to come between them didn't work.  NOW THAT'S THE BEST REVENGE.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:45 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Wow...after watching this show I am almost ashamed of being a woman! I can't believe all the anger that was directed toward Enrique. How in the world would ANYONE feel if they had been lied to for so many years? Yes, he made a mistake by reacting the way he did, but good grief! Does that reaction completely overshadow the fact that he was purposly TRICKED for so many years? And this crap about it being all about the money, you bet it IS all about the money, but not in the way it was portrayed. It is MARIA still wanting the money! And Gloria Alred is just what was said, "A hired gun".( She sticks her nose in every high profile case she can find and acts like it's all because she wants to protect children. She does it for the money and the fame!) She too said it was all about the money, but she too has it backwards. It IS all about Maria not wanting the gravy train to end. They want to whine about the established relationship between the man and the child but who's fault is that? Of course it is the lying,cheating mothers fault! So, I guess the theory is that if the man doesn't question the paternity of the child in 2 years then it's HIS fault for being duped? Bulloney!! Women who do this should be taken to court and forced to pay back EVERY penny that man ever paid her! I think Dr. Phil really blew it on this one and let Maria off way too easy!  Enrique got blasted for everything while she just sat there and looked smug!
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:46 pm PDT

Selina's being manipulated!

What was most striking to me is the way Selina's words matched those of her deceitful mother. I think what Maria did was a horrible betrayal to ALL of her family. Her entire family relationship has been based on a lie. I also believe that though Enrique made a mistake in his handling of this horrible betrayal, Maria is clearly manipulating Selina (and her sister) in a very negative way.

 

If she truly cares for Selina (and her sister) she would support Enrique instead of leading them to believe they can never trust this man again. She is out to justify herself by focusing attention on Enrique's failure to know what to do in a situation that he probably never thought he'd find himself in. Enrique has expressed remorse and admitted that he wished he'd handle it differently, Maria should be encouraging Selina to forgive and understand her dad's feelings and that she's the one responsible for the enormous amount of hurt and betrayal of her family. She should be focusing Selina's attention on how devestating this is for not only her but her father as well. Instead she is striping Selina and her sister of empathy and replacing it with blame. How would she like it if the girls were encouraged to believe that they could never trust another woman because of their mother's terrble mistake? Maria is manipulating her daughter's to make herself feel better. She is a terribly selfish woman. 

 

As far as child support, if Maria and her new husband can't support their family, then Maria can go on welfare or find Selina's biological father. Either way, the kids will be fine. Maria made her bed, let her sleep in it.  It's ridiculous to expect child support from Enrique and the girls are being lead to believe that Enrique's support (or lack of it) is some kind of statement of love. It isn't. She's using his desire for justice to "prove" that she loves them more.

 

The girls should be in counseling to deal with their mother's lie and continuing manipulation. They need to see that forgivness for their father's reaction is possible. By focusing on Enrique they don't have to deal with what their mother did to the family. They need to come to terms with what Maria did and see that it's also possible to forgive her. Fortunaltey, no one's encouraging them to never trust their mom again but she is definately allowing them to think they can't trust him again. I'm wondering if she should even be raising them at this point.

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:46 pm PDT

You're off the mark here

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I do believe that the father loves his daughter, but no one asked him if he loved her more than his money. 

Maybe he is justified in his arguement.  Maybe he shouldn't have to pay.  Maybe, maybe, maybe!!  But what is the alternative?  Him irreversibly emotionally damaging his daughter for life?  Is damaging a child better than parting with a few buck for 8 more years till she turns 18?  The Mother looks at it from her point of view, the father from his point of view.  Can these people rise above it all to do what is best for the wellbeing of their child?  Somebody take the high road here and look at it from the childs point of view.  Right now she must be thinking that she is not worth a few hundred dollars a month and her fathers love was not unconditional.  Shame on both of these parents for putting this cancerous, life altering, crap for ever buried in her pshyci.   She sounds smarter and wiser at 11 than her parents put together.


It's not about Enrique loving his money more than his daughter.  Money paid does not equal a good father.  He should be allowed to continue the relationship with Selena, as they are BOTH victims of the mother's fraud and lies.  However, the mother should repay him in FULL, and should be charged with fraud.
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:48 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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This show was an eye opener for me.  My son had been in a troubled marriage for almost 5 years and has 2 children and another one on the way.  He married after the first child was born  The second child was conceived very shortly after a brief separation and this pregnancy happened after she left him again but was "coming home" on weekends.  During this last separation she filed for child support  only after about 2 weeks and was angry that the court did not deem more of a payment.  (He only makes 8 to 12 dollars and hour.)  She was seeing other men when they were separated but swears they were not intimate.  My son cannot afford paternity testing and hates to make waves with his wife while they are together because he loves his family.  My fear is that the marriage will not last and my son will be responsible for 3 children which may or may not be his.  And as it seems he would be anyway. 

 

The laws need to be changed. Yes the children are the real victims but why do the innocent men have to pay for the sins of these children's  mothers. Even go to jail for non payment when the true DNA donor and the liar and adulterer gets rewarded by not having to be responsible themselves in a financial way.

I would suggest that before he is ordered in court to pay any support payments that he ask the judge to grant him paternity test because of the separations the have had. That is something he needs to ask for himself. So many men feel the exact same way and decide for whatever reason they wont get any resolve and shut down. That period of not standing up for themselfs could possibly haunt him forever. As the show stated many states have time frames and men you need to realty address your concerns ASAP.
 

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October 29, 2007, 9:49 pm PDT

what good?

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what good came of this DNA test?  I know that the mother should be the soul owner of this one but really what good did this DNA test really do?  It ruined 2 lifes and on top of that he still has to pay her!

There are certain medical reasons it is good to know your actual biological parentage - diseases such as sickle cell anemia can run in families.  Family members might donate bone marrow, or even organs in cases of cancer or organ failure.

 

Perhaps DNA testing should come with counseling so people might make better choices on how to act and react to unwelcome news.

 

The laws need to be changed in this country - too many biological fathers do not support their children, but making other men pay so the state doesn't have to track down the real deadbeat dad isn't a good solution.  The day may come when everyone's DNA is on file and nobody will get away with it anymore.  Big brother!

 
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October 29, 2007, 9:49 pm PDT

Just Ridiculous!!!!

When i saw this show, I was appalled to see what was going on.  First of all, the mother should be ashamed of herself.  How do you live for 10 years, knowing this child is not ur husbands.  If she would have just been honest , im sure he would have worked something out.  Now it is a huge mess & this poor child is suffering.  And how dare, his new wife thinks that it's all about her emotions. It has nothing to do w/her besides her being selfish!!! I do not believe he should have to continue payin child support, but i strongly believe he needs & needed to stay in her life, & be the father to her that he's been for the last 10 yrs of her life.  It is the only father she's known.  Until they do find the birth father, he really should still pay child support, due to the fact that, she shouldnt' suffer for something she had no control over.  And I think it's wonderful that her stepfather wants to adopt her. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 9:50 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Maria,

you were one of my mentors in the SB program in college,  I was shocked to see you on the show.  I had known of the divorce and once heard you say, you actually became better friends with your ex, after the divorce.  I was surprised that a smart and intelligent woman such as yourself would do this. 

You are completely delusional!-- Enrique is NOT the father of your child and therefore should NOT be obligated to pay child support.  What did Enrique do wrong?  You on the other hand committed fraud.  You should be punished severely by the law. 

Yes, Enrique could have broken the news to Selina better, and maybe discussed this with you first and you both could have told her.  This is what adults do!  I don't understand how he can "disown" Selina, BUT the fact remains, she is a reminder of your lies and betrayal!  -- So his response is perfectly normal.  He WILL miss Selina and hopefully with time, mend the relationship. 

 

Hopefully Selina will one day forgive YOU!   She will at some point realize what YOU have done!!  What kind of example are you setting?  It's okay to lie?  It's okay to betray those you make sacred vows too?  YOU have single handedly created this situation!  You lied to your then husband AND your real child's father, and deprived Selina of knowing her real biological father!!  Time reveals all, -- so why did you think you should not have told the truth from the beginning? 

 

I usually don't judge, -- but you have opened yourself up to it! 

You need to realize YOU are wrong.  At this point, the only fair thing to do would be to correct the birth certificate, allow Selina to have a relationship with her biological father, put her in counseling, and yourself as well....  then ask Selina's father to help with her expenses.  Although he should NOT owe past child support as this was your fault!  Was the real father informed?  Shame on you! -- you have shattered my image of you.  YOU are NOT an example to be followed or looked up to.  

I feel sorry for your daughters, they are the Innocent ones.  Hopefully they will get thru this. 

Amen!!! Unbelivable!!! 
 
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