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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 11:34 am PDT

Thank you both for your posts!

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I agree - I was flabbergasted at Dr. Phils response to the 'mother'  and the lack of follow-up action.
I have to say, I agree!

Mia
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:37 am PDT

FALES LIES

I SAY LET THE MAN DECIDE FOR HIMSELF.IF HE WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD ,BUT IT SHOULD BE HIS CHOICE,TAKEN CHILDREN FROM PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEM,CAN REALLY PUT THE DAMAGE TO THEM.WHEN CHILDREN ARE TAKEN FROM CARING AND LOVING FAMILES.WHAT EFFECTS DOES THAT HAVE ON THEM.I KNOW IT RIPS THE HEART RIGHT OUT OM WHEN I CAN'TJUST GO AND PICK UP MY GRANDCHILDREN. I HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SEE MY GRANDCHILDREN AT A BIRTHDAY
PARTY .BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND THAT MEANS MORE LAWYER FEES .MORE TIME IN COURT THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN HAPPEN PEOPLE SHOULD PUT THEIR FEELING APART FOR THE KIDS.BUT I LOVE MY GRANDKIDS AND SOME DAY THEY WILL GROW UP AND ASK QUESTIONS.SO I KEEP A DIARY FOR THEM Dr.PHIL SO THEY WILL KNOW HOW MUCH MYSELF AND THIER FAMILY LOVES THEM.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:38 am PDT

What a horrid person that mother is!

What she did to her daughter, ex-husband and the biological father is inexcuseable!!  AND it is ridiculous that the courts would make the ex pay child support! 

 

I would guess that the courts are not even considering the right and wrong here.....just that Enrique is a sure thing when it comes to paying support!!  Maybe the judge is afraid that the biological father won't pay or can't be found and it will keep her off welfare by making the ex pay.

 

I sure hope that Enrique finds a way to make it up to the girl.  She doesn't deserve this and as the adult, he should step up and do the right thing....which is continue to be a part of her life.  My heart just breaks to think of how she feels every time her sister gets picked up for a visit.

 

What a disgusting situation that woman knowingly created!!!  And the new wife needs to keep her negative opinions to herself and support him in visiting with BOTH daughters!

 

IMO, Mgrlady

 
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October 29, 2007, 11:41 am PDT

Where is the real Dad?

Why doesn't the mother have the biological father support his child? She was careless and now an innocent man must pay for her deceit? Shame on you. Poor example to set for your daughter.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:45 am PDT

Thanks for your kind message.

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I don't think you did a thing wrong. Like I mentioned in another post, as soon as they showed Selina I knew there was no way she was Enrique's child. And I find it hard to believe that someone in their families or circle of friends did not notice that something wasn't totally kosher. If someone had said something to Enriquie years ago a lot of hurt could have been avoided. Selina is young. This will pass and hopefully she will find it in her heart to have a relationship with Enrique if that is indeed what they both want.

You have a wise child. That old saying..."out of the mouths of babes" is so true. I am glad you listened to her. Keep your head up high and God bless you and your family.

Again, this is all about telling the truth and being honest. It was a difficult decision for me to bring it to Enrique. I never wish suffering on someone else. No one wants to deal with situations like our at any time in life, especially when they're celebrating a new marriage. My heart goes out to any child who has to suffer anywhere in the world for any reason.

Children worldwide are suffering needlessly for one reason or another. It does not matter what you believe, just pray or send positive energy and envision a better world for us all. Today's children will be our future!
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:47 am PDT

Wheres your morals?

Todays show just makes me sick.  I boil it down to morals.  Dont sleep around with everyone and then you wont have to worry about children.  Yes, there will always be the bank robber (women) but if people would really pay attention who they are with before they hop in bed the first day, week, months then you would solve a lot of this. (I am referring to the lady that cheated on the man.  I watched for one hour and figured her out) (LOser) Why couldnt the man figure her out in the time period he was with her?  I bet he hopped into bed with her in a short period of time;)  NO I DONT BELIEVE HE SHOULD PAY CHILD SUPPORT THOUGH.  If he had a heart his relationship should not change with the child.  He should still love her the same.  Love does not click off that fast over finding out DNA.  It should still be there.  He can still be a role model.  Especially since she doesnt have one with her mother. 

Men are taken avantage of now because of poor law setup in the past.  The old laws let dead beat dads get away with so much in the past.  Now that there are laws in place they are not up to date (because of everyone marring this day and having a baby, and then the next day getting a divorce) and every man is paying for it without any say in an old system that needs to change. 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 11:50 am PDT

I want my husband to see the Selina.

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What she did to her daughter, ex-husband and the biological father is inexcuseable!!  AND it is ridiculous that the courts would make the ex pay child support! 

 

I would guess that the courts are not even considering the right and wrong here.....just that Enrique is a sure thing when it comes to paying support!!  Maybe the judge is afraid that the biological father won't pay or can't be found and it will keep her off welfare by making the ex pay.

 

I sure hope that Enrique finds a way to make it up to the girl.  She doesn't deserve this and as the adult, he should step up and do the right thing....which is continue to be a part of her life.  My heart just breaks to think of how she feels every time her sister gets picked up for a visit.

 

What a disgusting situation that woman knowingly created!!!  And the new wife needs to keep her negative opinions to herself and support him in visiting with BOTH daughters!

 

IMO, Mgrlady

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm not supportive of a relationship? I do want him to see her....and so does he. He has been a man in admitting that he made a horrible mistake, and he does want a relationship with Selina.

 
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October 29, 2007, 12:03 pm PDT

regarding the moral question

In regards to the morality of the father leaving after 10 years of emotional investment  -

 

That's really up to him.  It's his conscience.  He's been played a fool for 10 years, his emotions have been severely toyed with.  Asking him to remain an active parent because of emotional bonds he had with child is like asking him to continue to play the fool.  

 

Emotional extortion rears its ugly head again.  And some of you dont understand why he's hesitant in falling for that again?  Really?

 

The resentment he may feel towards the mother may be too strong for him to be any sort of positive influence on the child.  Only he can determine that.  It's not for any of us to judge him on the decision he ultimately makes in that regard.

 

He should sue the mother, regardless of how he decides to involve himself with the child.  She finacially scammed an innocent person, she should be served with court papers as any scammer should.

 

I doubt the IRS or the Welfare system would continue to pay for children if the cases turned out to be fraudulant just because "Well, you've paid for 'em this long...you just should, or its immoral."

 

I really hope this man recognizes that his case could wake up America.

 

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 12:08 pm PDT

I would not wish this situation on anyone....

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i totally agree!! :-)
I would not wish this on anyone, it's painful to see anyone suffer, much less children. In my heart I really feel that people just need to be considerate and tell the truth. Think about it, people who lie and cheat are not happy people. The have self esteem issues and most likely were victims of bad parenting themselves. I'm honest with my husband as I think everyone should be.
 
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October 29, 2007, 12:10 pm PDT

Where does one begin with this mess.

I don't know how one "fixes" these kinds of tragic situations.  BOTH adults behaved in a gross manner and BOTH adults are abusing the children to avoid personal responsibility here.  Maria is an obvious liar and even when confronted with the truth she then resorted to using her children to deflect any responsibility at all for what happened.  She even smiled at her own daughters tears over this mess that she HERSELF created because it gave her an opportunity to glare at Enrique and Mia with a "see what you did" look as if she herself was an innocent lamb.  Funny how she continues to say she never had any idea that Enrique wasn't the father, but admits to the affair in the most roundabout manner possible.  Well, you can't have it both ways.  You can't have an affair and then claim "there was no reason to think he (the husband) wasn't the father.  Obviously, there was plenty of reason to doubt it.  She has clearly shown herself to be sneaky and manipulative far beyond the heat of her affair.

Enrique at least showed what I believe was some sincere remorse over his actions in punishing an innocent child because he got hurt; however,  we adults should NEVER put children in the center of adult problems.  Enrique's conduct was quite unforgivable to reject a child that he brought up as his own.  It matters little if he was tricked or not or if the child really is his or not at this point in their relationship.  I, personally, could not fathom hurting a child in the manner in which he did.  What was gained by that?  The saving of money?  A sense of freedom for him?  Was it worth the price for whatever he thinks he gained?

As far a Mia, Enrique's new wife, goes, it is understandable for her to not want to see her husband be taken advantage of and that initially makes her seems like a good and dedicated wife; however, what was to be really gained by her intrusion into this prior relationship?  I think her motives are highly questionable and she, in my view, exercised poor judgment when one consders the damage done here by her instigation.  As with Enrique, I ask what was gained by her actions?  Was she all about him not paying the money or was it more that she resented his prior relationship with the girls he raised as his own?  Again, all one really has to ask is what was expected to be gained by bringing all this to light?

Shame on all of these so-called adults and I pray that the kids are not hurt more than they already are from these completely self-centered adults who are all consumed by being right, than by doing right.
 
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