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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 11:13 am PDT

PUT MOTHER ON CHILDSUPPORT

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    I agree the mother was wrong to lie. But how long did he the supposed father love and raise this child as his own befor saying hey i dont think this child is mine. I understand he was married to her so of course he thinks shes been faithful. But when does this doubt come in to play how many years later, how come now it comes all down to money and not the little girl he raised as his own? As for the women who lie about who the father is, people lie everyday day so if you sleep with someone and you dont think your the father you should take responsibility for getting a dna ASAP, dont wait 1,2 or even as long as the gentleman who cried victim so hard that waited 12 YEARS. Give me a break!!
IT DOES NOT JUST COME DOWN TO MONEY, IT MORE THEN MONEY, IT A BELIEF THAT YOU ACCEPTED FROM YOUR WIFE AND FIND OUT THAT YOU WERE LIED TO, ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THIS LIFE.  YOUR BLOOD LINE IS A LIE.  ASK THE MOTHER WHY IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY, SHE PUT HIM ON CHILD SUPPORT FOR ANOTHER MAN CHILD.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:14 am PDT

Mia is not the bad guy here! MARIA IS!!

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I found your program most intriguing and a little disturbing.

 

First of all, I'd like to say a big "SHAME ON THAT SECOND WIFE OF ENRIQUE'S!!"  She is, for all intents and purposes, an outsider in this!  She should have minded her own business!!  The way I see it, she purposely set about course of action intended to accomplish nothing but cause anguish for his former family.  I don't care how she tries to justify it to herself or anyone else!  If she had an opinion she should have kept it to herself.  But yet, that Enrique stood by her and walked away from HIS CHILD!!

 

If we were dealing with the matter of the child Selena, in a Pennsylvania court, there would have never been a court hearing let alone a television program to talk about it.  In our state, a child born OF A MARRIAGE is presumed to be a child of that marriage regardless of who the biological parent is and that is the way it should be.  The law was designed to make sure the BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD is protected.  Grown adults tend to forget that they have an obligation to PROTECT and to do whatever is in the best interest of the CHILDREN, not themselves, not their new spouse, etc.  The Court needs to safe-guard the sanctity of the family and the best interest of the children at all costs.

 

As for the guy who paid child support for 11 years to the child of his "ex-girlfriend", I'd like to ask him what kind of idiot would just blindly agree to pay support for a child of an "ex" who suddenly appears back in his life to tell him she is pregnant and the child is his?  Where did he leave his brains when he went to support court?  Why didn't he DEMAND a paternity test?  Every man has a right to request paternity testing, he didn't.  That's his problem!! Now he expects everyone to feel sorry for him!  Well, I don't.  The only person I feel sorry for is that child!

 

I do not in any way condone a women tricking a man into believing a child is his when it isn't.  Nor do I feel it fair for a man to pay child support for a child not his, or being heartbroken when, and if, he finds out.  However, men have protection.  There are condoms and other contraceptives, for instance, to ensure this doesn't happen.  Contrary to what may be popular belief, I believe our courts are fair with fathers and give them every protection under law and every opportunity to safeguard their own interests.  

 

My heart goes out to poor Selena and her sister.  God bless them both.  They didn't ask for this and this should not have happened at  ANY TIME IN THEIR LIVES.

 

 

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:15 am PDT

The Facts

If a case such as Enrique’s (of which there are apparently thousands) comes to light:

1.       The non-biological father should be allowed to have his name be taken off the birth certificate immediately and without cost or penalties, and any responsibilities he does not freely choose to accept should be concretely voided by law.

2.      The Child should be told in a mediated, controlled environment.

3.      The non-biological father should have access to immediate counseling to deal with his quite understandable shock, confusion, and anger. 

4.      The mother should be horse-whipped.

 

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:15 am PDT

TOTALLY OBSERD!

In my personal opinion he should not have to pay a penny towards child support!  that is the biological fathers place.  he was decieved from the very beginning and therefore the mother should have to pay him back in my opinion!  i have a 3 year old daughter and another little girl on the way and women like this one give most women bad names and make our men question the paternity of our children when there should be none!!!!

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:15 am PDT

couldn't have said it better

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As a man who has been through a divorce where the ex took her child support and, according to my kids now young adults, seldom used it for their welfare, I am surprised at the impotant points that Dr Phil either missed or did put enough emphasis on.

They are:

1) Although he did confront the mother who committed fraud, when he spoke with Selina privately, he was very cavalier about asking her how she felt about how her "father" had let her down but mentioned nothing about her feelings about her mother who started this who deception. It was obviously right for him to assure her that it was not her fault. But, when he decided to discuss the other issue of her personal anger against her parents, he was not fair to only talk about the failings of the father. Since he chose to discuss this issue, he should have addressed the fact that she should have been far more disgusted with the actions of her mother. Since Selina appeared to have no negative feelings about her mother, it is apparent that her mother has programmed her to hate the father. This is exactly what happend to my kids. It is only now that they see things differently.

2) Since there was an issue of money/child support, there should have been an effort to ask the mother where the "real" father was. Dr Phil should have also encouraged that "he" be loacted to pay this child support bill. Maybe the "attention w*******" ," "empty suit" , Gloria Alred should have spent more productive time tracking down the "real" father to pay the bill instead of blaming a man that had his heart broken by his "criminal" wife.

3) The father was condemmed for his actions. They were obviously handled wrong. But, can't any of us put ourselves in his shoes? Forget about Selina for just a minute. What if one day you found out that someone had perpetrated a fraud on you for ten years? Is there anyone who would not be shocked, very upset and prone to irrational behavior? Now interject to emotion of a child conceived by an affair into the mix and who would not act inappropriately to some degree? Make an honest answer.

4) Why was it the father's new wife and not Dr Phil who had to comment on the "smuggness and arrogance" of the mother? She should be sued and pay every cent back to him. What is wrong with these judges? I saw nothing but arrogance and no remorse from the mother and humility and sadness from the father. Who do you think "really" cares for Selina?

I am a big Dr Phil fan but this problem of women taking money fraudulantly or not using it to help their kids is enormous. It is time that mothers who receive any kind of aid are scrutinized.

A father who has been on the front lines.

i totally agree with you.  i am the wife of a father who has also been on the front lines and i have seen him dragged through the mud so unfairly.  he pays child support to a truly undeserving ex that never puts the best interest or the needs of their child first.  so many times i have seen the fathers get the shaft unjustly.  these mothers are not made to be accountable, they are handed money and big tax refunds but are not forced to account for the support of the child/dren and in most cases the father is left to fork out more to support his child/dren because the money is not appropriately applied to the needs of the child.  we have been round and round with the state child support office here and nothing is done.

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:15 am PDT

Good for you

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I found your program most intriguing and a little disturbing.

 

First of all, I'd like to say a big "SHAME ON THAT SECOND WIFE OF ENRIQUE'S!!"  She is, for all intents and purposes, an outsider in this!  She should have minded her own business!!  The way I see it, she purposely set about course of action intended to accomplish nothing but cause anguish for his former family.  I don't care how she tries to justify it to herself or anyone else!  If she had an opinion she should have kept it to herself.  But yet, that Enrique stood by her and walked away from HIS CHILD!!

 

If we were dealing with the matter of the child Selena, in a Pennsylvania court, there would have never been a court hearing let alone a television program to talk about it.  In our state, a child born OF A MARRIAGE is presumed to be a child of that marriage regardless of who the biological parent is and that is the way it should be.  The law was designed to make sure the BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD is protected.  Grown adults tend to forget that they have an obligation to PROTECT and to do whatever is in the best interest of the CHILDREN, not themselves, not their new spouse, etc.  The Court needs to safe-guard the sanctity of the family and the best interest of the children at all costs.

 

As for the guy who paid child support for 11 years to the child of his "ex-girlfriend", I'd like to ask him what kind of idiot would just blindly agree to pay support for a child of an "ex" who suddenly appears back in his life to tell him she is pregnant and the child is his?  Where did he leave his brains when he went to support court?  Why didn't he DEMAND a paternity test?  Every man has a right to request paternity testing, he didn't.  That's his problem!! Now he expects everyone to feel sorry for him!  Well, I don't.  The only person I feel sorry for is that child!

 

I do not in any way condone a women tricking a man into believing a child is his when it isn't.  Nor do I feel it fair for a man to pay child support for a child not his, or being heartbroken when, and if, he finds out.  However, men have protection.  There are condoms and other contraceptives, for instance, to ensure this doesn't happen.  Contrary to what may be popular belief, I believe our courts are fair with fathers and give them every protection under law and every opportunity to safeguard their own interests.  

 

My heart goes out to poor Selena and her sister.  God bless them both.  They didn't ask for this and this should not have happened at  ANY TIME IN THEIR LIVES.

 

 

I live in California and the law is the same here that any child born into a marriage is presumed to be a product of that marriage.  I have a friend going through that right now.  She isn't allowed to put the biological father's name on the birth certificate until her divorce is finalized even though they have been separated for 7 years and her current fiance supports both children from the previous marriage.  I too think that the new wife needs to but out and mind her own business.  Enrique appears to be pretty spineless if he does whatever he is told by her.  I can't beleive that any person would chose their spouse over their child.  Biological or not, he was her Dad for 9 years and it weasn't the child that decieved him so why did he punish her by withholding affection?  He should have dealt whith his ex-wife.

As for the idiot who believed an ex and blindly paid for a child without requesting a paternity test, "What were you thinking?"  I don't condon what the mothers have done in either case.  I think it is shameful and wrong to trick or lie to anybody about something so important as parenthood.  But whatever the parent's feelings or situation, they need to leave the child out of it.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:16 am PDT

I'm glad I am not the only woman here who feels this way. Thank you for your Posting.

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While my husband and I were watching the show, I almost came unglued! Who do these mothers think they are extorting money from men while knowing what they are doing is flat out deceit? And should be illegal! This offense should be punishable in the local, state and/or federal court systems. I applaud Mr. Carnell Smith for his work at helping deceived men to take action. I feel for the children in these situations...I pray for their emotional healing. The children involved are learning first hand about dishonesty from their own mothers. SHAMEFUL.

 
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October 30, 2007, 11:16 am PDT

how much we have in common

I immediately called my now 17yo daughter and told her turn on the DR PHIL show NOW! I wanted her to hear the advice given because she experienced so much of the same at the age of thirteen.  She was two when I got with my ex-husband and tho he was fully aware she was not his biological daughter, before we even married we did a legal name change and put his name on the birth certificate when she was five. We married when she was seven and divorced when she was nine. Four years after the divorce, his new fiance encouraged him to relinguish rights to avoid the child support.  He and his family had no problem telling her and I it was about the child support. He continued to pick up her little sister, but demanded her visitations be ended along with her name changed back to my maiden name. Even tho I was honest from the beginning with him, that 5% of child support was the top priority. I live with the mistake I made in trusting this man. What kills me the most is after all those years, a child could be dismissed so easily for monetary reasons! I truly hope this young lady can overcome this easier than my daughter, who continues to deal with it  today.  The aim was at hurting the mom...but the damage can be life long in the child. My prayers are with this child that she will hold her head high and put this behind her.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:18 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I agree with you 100% !! I think it was GREAT that Mia spoke up and said the things we all wanted to say about Maria.
 
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October 30, 2007, 11:18 am PDT

Justice! For The Falsely Accused!

A woman who falsely accuses a man of fathering a child and then, collects money from him, is guilty of fraud. If the amount she collects exceeds a certain dollar value, why does it not become a class C or B felony? The woman should be held accountable, civilly and criminally. Once you steal money through fraud and get caught,  you can't just give it back with impunity. 

 

The two people who create the child are responsible for providing for its care. If a woman cheats on her husband and becomes pregnant, what degree of rational thought would hold the husband financially responsible for the care of the child?

 

Gloria Allred is so incredibly wrong. I thought at one time  she was a smart lady.  Her radical, feminist agenda and degree of delusion  became obvious to all.  Apparently, justice is not important when it comes to Gloria getting some TV time, making lots of money and promoting her adgenda.

 

Although, money did not seem to be important to Gloria;and if that be the case, perhaps, she would be willing to make a sizable  donation to relieve some of the financial pressure on the men caught in the parent trap. She could take this one step further and become a "pro bono" advocate for all those who are falsely accused. 

 

Oh, yeah, justice doesn't seem to be important to Gloria!  Maybe, she didn't  connect with the  meaning of the word  in law school.

 
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