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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 30, 2007, 5:51 pm PDT

AGREE TO DISAGREE

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Thanks for the comments. I agree that sometimes people marry for the wrong reasons and at the wrong time. You have some very interesting views on love and trust. Love and trust should be inclusive in ANY relationship, not just marriage.

 

How ever, love and trust ARE two different things. You can love someone, but they don't have to love you! And if someone leads you to believe that they love you and they don't, then you have a distrustful situation. Some people have found out that their mate that they love and trust has a sex addiction, and they have sex(sometimes unprotected with multiple partners).

 

They may find that they love that person deeply, but cannot trust them any more. That is why I will do anything possible in my marriage to put my wife's mind at ease if she requested me to do so. Some times we may become involved with a mate who has trust issues due to other experiences, and if you truly love that person you may have to do whatever you can to set their mind at ease.

I DO SEE YOUR SIDE AND YOU HAVE A WAY WITH WORDS HOWEVER I STILL DISAGREE I DO THINK THAT IT IS GREAT WHEN A MAN OR WOMAN WOULD DO ANYTHING TO KEEP THEIR PARTNERS MIND AT EASE.  I WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR MY HUSBAND INCLUDING TAKING A POLY TEST OR DNA HOWEVER I WOULD NEVER COMPLETELY FEEL COMFORTABLE AROUND HIM AFTER HE ASKED ME TO DO SUCH A THING HE SHOULD TRUST ME Y DOESN'T HE IS HE HIDING SOMETHING THOUGHTS LIKE THIS WOULD BE IN MY HEAD EVERY DAY AND I HONESTLY DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY THEY WOULDN'T BE IN YOUR HEAD TOO ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU'VE BEEN MARRIED AS LONG AS YOU SAY YOU HAVE BEEN LIKE I SAID I SEE YOUR SIDE I LOVE MY MOM WITH ALL MY HEART BUT I STILL ARGUE THIS WITH MY HER ALL THE TIME GOD BLESS HER HEART BUT SHE WILL NEVER BE HAPPY AND WILL NEVER TRUST ANY MAN INCLLUDING MY STEPDAD COMPLETELY AND IT IS VERY HARD ON HIM EVEN THOUGH HE TOO HAS REASONS NOT TO TRUST WOMEN BUT HE DOES MY MOM BECAUSE HE LOVES HER YOU SEE MY MOM HAS BEEN SCREWED OVER TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND I DO UNDERSTAND HER TRUST ISSUES HER FATHER MOLOSTED HER FOR YEARS AND MY DAD CHEATED ON HER A TIME OR TWO AND EVEN I HAVE TRUST ISSUES BUT WOULD NEVER ASK MY HUSBAND TO PROVE HIMSELF TO ME I TRUST HIM WITH MY HEART AND LOVE HIM ALWAYS TO ME LOVE AND TRUST MAY BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS BUT I STILL BELIEVE THEY GO HAND IN HAND ESPECIALLY IN MARRIAGE.  SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE
 
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October 30, 2007, 5:51 pm PDT

Wow

This show was heartbreaking for me to watch. One action has hurt a lot of people. The infidelity of Maria I am sure hurt Enrique regardless of whether he found out at the time or years later. I try to understand what Enrique was feeling when he told his daughter that she wasn't his and stopped seeing her. He is human and hurts and makes mistakes like anyone else. His daughter unfortunately was hurt the most in this whole ordeal. For whatever reason that Maria chose to be with another man I don't think she forsaw what was going to happen and I am sure if she could do it over again she would of given more thought to her actions. I hope that she understands her error and sincerely feels bad about what happened. For now what is done is done. I don't think that Enrique should be financially responsible for Selena. But as a man, as a dad and as a human I think that he should of found a better way to explain this to Selena and as a human knowing that she has no fault in this should of been there for her regardless if she was his or not. I know its not his but he thought she was for 10 years and how anyone can stop loving someone despite the circumstances especially a child is hard to understand. He should of looked at the whole picture and realized that selena is his daughters sister a tie that will never break and realized that what hurts selena will hurt his daughter also. I think after loving someone for 10 years, especially a child whether it is mine or not I could never stop loving them. I personally would grieve that they were not mine if I found out something like this but I don't ever think I could stop loving them.

 
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October 30, 2007, 5:53 pm PDT

I wonder how the child feels?

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I have lived through this same situation.  My father payed child support for my younger sister for 18 years knowing she was nnt his child.  My dad knew and never said a word to any of us about this.  My mother and father divorced before she was born due to this and my mother made sure that my father was not able to see any of his children (there were two of us that were his).  From the time I was 6 until I turned 18 we did not know why our dad would not visit or want to see us.  My mother lied to us and said my dad left when he found out he was pregnant with my sister, he did not want her.  Once my brother and I turned 18 we went to see our dad and found out that my mother had him arrested 3 times because he tried to visit us.  We also found that there was documentation that he was not my sisters father and still payed child support because there was not DNA back in the 60's.  Even at this time he did not come out and tell us he was not her father.  We found out when my sister was 25, the truth came out right before my grandmother died.  This was over 15 years ago and my mother still will not tell the truth, she refuses to tell my sister who her father is.  At the request of my sister my father took a DNA test and confirmed the truth, he is not her father.  My mother took our father away from us at a young age, hurt my sister to the point where she has not been able to carry on a good relationship with a man.  She seems distant from them and is now possibly facing her second divorce.  My father had to give up his children and pretend they never existed after 7 years of raising us, this had hurt everyone and to this day over 40 years later my mother still will not admit she did something wrong and my father still has a problem with having a relationship with his children.  Not to mention that my sisters true father does not know she exists and she has no idea who he is, this is wrong.  I am a woman and these women that are going around and cheating the real father out of a relationship with their children needs to stop.  The courts are not helping with this.  There is more than just the right and wrong here, in some cases there are true medical concerns that these children should be made aware of and sometime don't know about until it is too late.  Why don't these women have to have some type of "restitution or payment" of truth of financial?  They are getting away with this and in the end it is just a oops I guess I didn't tell the truth.  This isn't just about the  money, but for most of these women - IT IS!

 

Let the truth be told!

I wonder how the child feels about knowing the truth? Would she have preferred to be kept in the dark about this her whole life? Dr. Phil never asked her that. Also, he never asked her how she felt about what the mother did. I just found it an interesting note that the girls didn't mention the mother. I wonder if they were coached?
 
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October 30, 2007, 5:57 pm PDT

Mixng metaphors

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Until you are in his shoes you don't know what you would do and did you not see how sorry he was for hurting her.  The truth of the matter is that she would have been hurt no matter how she was told.  And please leave the new wife alone she was just looking out for her husband like any good wife should.  The one you should be upset with is Maria she was the start of all this mess, she is the one that had NO compasion for any one involved here.  People keep talking about the child and the consequences this may have on her.  I think it is better for her to know now that she is still young and able to define herself in a clearer more accurate way and learn how to trust others again than when she is a grown woman and her entire life has been a lie.  I agree we are more than molecules and DNA but because we are more than that we are also not perfect, so please don't condem them when you don't know all the truth.  and please explain what you mean by fullness of time because no amount of time will ever repair the damage, and hurt Maria has caused this family.

You are missing the point.  He got a raw deal, but he still had a choice to make .  The choice he made, by his own admission, was the wrong one.  I question his wife's motives as would anyone.  NO one is judging here, merely stating a general truth that we, as ADULTS, have the responsibility to do what is best for children, whether they are genetically ours or not, especially when there has been a 10-year relationship that can never easily broken.  The kid doesn't know the difference, but dad certainly does. 

 

What happens to a kid at this age can be devastating, not just a small problem easily gotten over.  Time does tend to heal all wounds, and, as Enrique himself stated, that he should have done it diferently then.  It'll get better for all of them in time - that's what the fullness of time means.

 
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October 30, 2007, 6:00 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING A LIAR? YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO LIE? WHY BASH SOMEONE FOR TELLING THE TRUST. HOW COULD MIA POSSIBLE KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION. I BET YOU'VE DONE THIS TO SOMEONE TOO. ONLY LIAR'S WANT TO KEEP THINGS A SECRET..
I do not support the liar or the man(?) who devastated the child.  The only victim here is the child and if the so called dogooder 2nd wife would have kept her thoughts to herself this child could have grown up feeling loved, wanted, and secure.  I don't give a hoot for any of the adults, I can see all their faults.  It is the child that saddened my heart.  Just because something is the truth doesn't mean you have to say it.  "My what an ugly fat face you have."  That might be the truth, but would you appreciate it if it were said to you in public or private for that matter??  Sometimes it is more beneficial to just keep quiet.
AND NO I have not done this to anyone EVER. 
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:00 pm PDT

What a mess!!!!

That lady should be taken out and horse wipped.  This is what's wrong with the court system in America.  That lady lied to this man about this child and all through the show she showed no remorse.  She just basically acted like it was everyone elses problem and as long as she was getting money she didn't care who got hurt.  Money hungery whore, looking for a free ride off of someone else.  As far as Gloria Allred, this is what's wrong with our legal system in California.  She never once answered a question that she was asked.  She was only there to get her mug shot on the TV and stick her nose into something she has no clue about how to deal with.  As long as she can make a buck off some whether it's right or wrong, she is going to stick her face out there so everyone can see it.  The father was wrong in the way he handled this little girl, even though she wasn't his, he had loved and taken care of her for many years.  He should of always loved her no matter what.  The money issue should of been dealt with with a judge that had some common sence and a legal system that also had some common sence.  I know first hand about dealing with this stuff.  I fathered a child in the state of California and three years later the mother contacted me wanting child support.  She was calling me from a casino in Stateline, Nevada.  I contacted a lawyer and I told her if she wanted anything from me she had to deal with my lawyer.  My name was not on the birth certificate, it was listed as "Father not Known".  Ten years later when her mother filed for welfare she had to find the father.  After all those years I get served with papers for child support.  At first all Child Services wanted me to do is just start paying.  I requested a DNA test and when I found out for sure she was mine, I started paying.  I don't have a problem with paying child support, I have a problem with a legal system that gives me no parental rights, but I have to still pay or go to jail.  It took me two years later to contact my daughter to find out who she is and get to know her.  I had my first visit with her this past summer and she is on her way to see me in Virginia for Thanksgiving.  The problem in all this is the Child Services Department and a govenment system that is only worried about getting money from someone else as long as they don't have to pay.  People in this country need to get off their butts and start talking and writing to their govenment and get stuff like this changed.  As long as we all set around complaining about it and not doing something about it, it will never change. 
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:02 pm PDT

No the focus needs to be on Selina

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how would she know how the mother would react, etc? no one want's to live a lie. she was there supporting her husband to see selina. how do you know she didnt write into the show to try and reunite the two of them?
Why focus on the current wife? Are you saying she destroyed the relationship? Why would she be there with her husband if she wanted to destory the relationship? That does not make sense. I think it's a sad and difficult situation for all involved.
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:06 pm PDT

Another Trusting Man/ Another Hurt Child

 Where is the accountability of the woman? She can get away with basically picking a nice, responsible guy who she knows will be a good father and responsible and lie to him and tell him that it is his child.  This happened to a good friend of mine and he paid child support for about 13 years - He finally took a DNA test ( when he was told he was the father he was 18 years old - ) and he was not the biological father - While I do not think it was right that he paid all that money to support a child that he did not father, the mother was not held accountable at all and did not have to pay him back the money - No, it is not just about the money and it broke my heart to see the daughter on this episode of Dr. Phil as I related it to the child that my friend had contact with and "fathered" for 13 years - My friend has never talked to him after the DNA test was done and I do not think that was fair to the child and do not agree-According to the courts, he was still supposed to pay support until the child was 18. He no longer has contact with the child or the mother. This is a terrible tragedy but I feel that if mother's were held accountable from the beginning - less men would be in this position and less children would be hurt - But in the cases that I have seen, the mother's are not held accountable or responsible - The "father" is made out to look like the bad guy!
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:06 pm PDT

Everyone has faults

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I do not support the liar or the man(?) who devastated the child.  The only victim here is the child and if the so called dogooder 2nd wife would have kept her thoughts to herself this child could have grown up feeling loved, wanted, and secure.  I don't give a hoot for any of the adults, I can see all their faults.  It is the child that saddened my heart.  Just because something is the truth doesn't mean you have to say it.  "My what an ugly fat face you have."  That might be the truth, but would you appreciate it if it were said to you in public or private for that matter??  Sometimes it is more beneficial to just keep quiet.
AND NO I have not done this to anyone EVER. 
It appears to me the father talked to Dr. Phil beforehand and said he wanted a relationship with the child. It's clear he made a mistake. I think before we get to judgmental here we need to see how much stress is being place on all of the people involved. Just because someone has a bad reaction to something or tells the truth about something does not mean they have evil intentions.
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:17 pm PDT

I don't remember her saying anything about money?

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You spoke well, I concur!
The current wife didn't say anything about money. Also, she was there with her husband supporting him in reuniting with the child. I think it must be upsetting to her to see the mom laughing and smiling and acting as though she wasn't sorry. Enrique is trying to set it straight with the child. I don't remember hearing Maria being very sorry. Remember at the beginning she said "he doesn't have the balls". Sorry, that doesnn't come across to me very well.
 
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