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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 12:59 pm PDT

Thank you!

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In regards to the morality of the father leaving after 10 years of emotional investment  -

 

That's really up to him.  It's his conscience.  He's been played a fool for 10 years, his emotions have been severely toyed with.  Asking him to remain an active parent because of emotional bonds he had with child is like asking him to continue to play the fool.  

 

Emotional extortion rears its ugly head again.  And some of you dont understand why he's hesitant in falling for that again?  Really?

 

The resentment he may feel towards the mother may be too strong for him to be any sort of positive influence on the child.  Only he can determine that.  It's not for any of us to judge him on the decision he ultimately makes in that regard.

 

He should sue the mother, regardless of how he decides to involve himself with the child.  She finacially scammed an innocent person, she should be served with court papers as any scammer should.

 

I doubt the IRS or the Welfare system would continue to pay for children if the cases turned out to be fraudulant just because "Well, you've paid for 'em this long...you just should, or its immoral."

 

I really hope this man recognizes that his case could wake up America.

 

 

 

 

I'm Mia (the current wife). I could not have said this better! Thanks for your input. As honest, tax payers, we need to put a stop to the lies and make people take responsiblity for their actions. Our taxes are going to force men to pay child support for children that are not theirs. It should be a choice. Enrique's choice was taken away from him when he was lied to. What if we wanted to have children of our own? Who's going to support them after all our court costs, child support, emotional stress, etc. The bio dad lived with Maria and Selina for over two years. This is a fact on public record, and apparently he washed his hands of it and started another family with a new wife! Where are my rights as a second wife?
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:00 pm PDT

DNA

 2nd part: All states should require DNA at time of birth with whom is being listed on birth certificate. Then it would be out in the open and if the guy turns up not bio father, he should not sign BC because of long-term affect if the relationship goes down the toilet. Unfortunately, lawyers like yours truly are bashers and don't care what the truth is, they just dance around it.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

so sad

Yes, I agree that the father was wrong in how he dealt with his pain in regards to how he told his daughter. No way should this man pay for child support. Shame on the mother for not fessing up earlier. What a terrible thing she did to her daughter.....
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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The older I get the more wisdom I find in idioms.  The one I find appropriate for this situation is the sins of the father/mother will be visited upon the head of the child.  Its more than apparent that both of these people hold responsibility for the pain, disillusionment, betrayal, and future issues this child will endure.  Is one more responsible than the other?  Does it really matter?  I could sit here and argue one point or the other, if I wanted to but I dont, and it would make no difference because the damage is done.  The cat is out of the bag, genie is out of the bottle, etc.  Its a done deal.  What concerns me is that it continues being done here as well as in many other similar situations that havent found the good fortune of Dr. Phil intervening on the childs behalf.  So instead of adding my bat to beating these people up over what already cannot be undone Ill instead send my most sincere hopes and wishes that better judgment will now rule and that life can be mended to all their benefit.

What I came for is propose a solution that seemed glaringly apparent to me.  It wont correct the current occurrences of like events but it can curtail it for future generations.  First of all a birth certificate is a legal and binding document so Im amazed that this hasnt become common practice before now.  Why a person can simply be named on a legal binding document without proof of that persons party to paternity is simply legally irresponsible on all sorts of levels.  At any rate my solution is to add paternity testing to the standard testing that they do on any infant when it is born.  Problem solved.  Perhaps such a solution might have further benefits of being a deterrent to behavior that would so negatively effect so many others outside themselves for so long after the fact.  Accountability what a concept!  For those who oppose this solution one would have to question their motivation and wonder if there may not be some duplicitous reasoning that would cause such opposition.  Its easy to rant over a problem, everyone does it.  Better to just resolve it and get on to the next issue.  Theres always going to be plenty more waiting in line

this is such a wonderful post!

thank you! :-)
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

She is a LIAR, FRAUD, CRROK and should be Jailed

I understand Enrique's feelings. I also understand why Maria enquired about the paternity. To Maria I will say this, I like you am married to a man who has two children. One of the children I truly believe not to be his. However, I have not said a word. I did however swab both their mouths to find the truth and I was correct. I bet you all ask why didnt I tell?  Because the child is a child and she was already 10 yrs old at the time. I felt that no good could come of it and in our state the difference between one and two hildren was only about 400 a month. Does it burn inside me? Yes, especially because if there is a word stronger than deeply dislike I feel that way about this child. In fact I have never liked the child and refuse to acknowledge or even speak her name. But who would I be to take her father espevially when her mother is a piece of trailer trash. But again to some extent I blame my husband as well. We all know the saying "you cant make a hoe into a houswife" thus I am not sure what he expected. I believe Enrique suspected before this was not his child otherwise he would not have acted upon his wifes suggestion of a DNA test. However, I believe that if the mother were a real woman she would have given up the money for Enrique and the child to continue their relationship. She is not a mother!!! She appeared to revel in his suffering on the show during her interview. She smiled, laughed and had laughter . How could she when what she did so affected her daughter. The fact thatshe continues to harras this man for money shows more than anything she cares nothing about her daughter. Because after the suffering of her child a real mother would have done anything to stop the pain. This woman should be prosecuted because she knew this was not his child. Even if Enrique has to pay there needs to start being reprocusions towards the mother. I live in a militarytown and I do believe that 30 percent of the people are not raising "their children", but someone elses. I have seen it, heard about it, and seen the effects. This is a sad state of affairs. She chose Enrique because he made more money plain and simple. She is a Money Grubbing .................................
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I agree with most here.  I don't believe a father has to pay if it turns out that they are not the father.  Granted I do not think in this particular story that the man did the correct thing.  But I do not feel he has to continue to pay for this child.  Why doesn't the mothers who know that the child is not the said fathers do not get punished for this.  Why doesn't the courts make it a law that DNA tests be made when the couple seperates and the 'parents' go their seperate ways.  The couple should have to pay for this as per a law.  I did not agree with the LOUD lawyer on this show who says this does not happen often, it does happen, a lot.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:04 pm PDT

Well said!

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The older I get the more wisdom I find in idioms.  The one I find appropriate for this situation is the sins of the father/mother will be visited upon the head of the child.  Its more than apparent that both of these people hold responsibility for the pain, disillusionment, betrayal, and future issues this child will endure.  Is one more responsible than the other?  Does it really matter?  I could sit here and argue one point or the other, if I wanted to but I dont, and it would make no difference because the damage is done.  The cat is out of the bag, genie is out of the bottle, etc.  Its a done deal.  What concerns me is that it continues being done here as well as in many other similar situations that havent found the good fortune of Dr. Phil intervening on the childs behalf.  So instead of adding my bat to beating these people up over what already cannot be undone Ill instead send my most sincere hopes and wishes that better judgment will now rule and that life can be mended to all their benefit.

What I came for is propose a solution that seemed glaringly apparent to me.  It wont correct the current occurrences of like events but it can curtail it for future generations.  First of all a birth certificate is a legal and binding document so Im amazed that this hasnt become common practice before now.  Why a person can simply be named on a legal binding document without proof of that persons party to paternity is simply legally irresponsible on all sorts of levels.  At any rate my solution is to add paternity testing to the standard testing that they do on any infant when it is born.  Problem solved.  Perhaps such a solution might have further benefits of being a deterrent to behavior that would so negatively effect so many others outside themselves for so long after the fact.  Accountability what a concept!  For those who oppose this solution one would have to question their motivation and wonder if there may not be some duplicitous reasoning that would cause such opposition.  Its easy to rant over a problem, everyone does it.  Better to just resolve it and get on to the next issue.  Theres always going to be plenty more waiting in line

There is so much wisdom in your message! Thanks for posting. We need more like your!
Mia Terrazas
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:04 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Of course, the child is the primary concern for any situation.  I believe that if a woman had to decide of being a single mom or just grabbing the first financially stable guy, be a single mom.  I've been one for many years and my son was actually the one to help me choose a new man.  He gets along with my son better than anyone I've ever seen and my son loves him.  I feel better knowing that I did not put him through the bullsh"" of paternity tests, child support and "who's your daddy?".
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:05 pm PDT

Gloria Always Sides with the Woman

Howcome Gloria Allred sides with the woman even when she is wrong. I think that he should be entitled to recover all of the money he paid her for child support + mental cuelty. She should also face crimminal charges & a fine for knowingly falsifying the birth certificate.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:05 pm PDT

Father and Daughter

First of all I think this woman should be ashamed of herself.  This child has been duped right along with the man she was married to.  I think the man who has been a father figure in her life for so long should not just walk away.  If he truly loves her it does not matter if it is blood or not.  He should still love her and want the best for her.  On the other hand I don't think the courts should say that he has to, instead the courts should go after the real father, and if he knew he needs to pay back the other dad, and if he did not know he needs to pick up the $ from this point forward. 

 

This child is going to have a hard enough time dealing with the lies, let alone dealing with losing the only father figure she has ever known, and the support he has been given to keep her in the lifestyle she is used to.  It is a really bad situation, for all and the woman that caused it all needs to say a big I am sorry to the man and the child, instead of making everyone feel like she is the victim!

 
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