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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:09 pm PDT

A Child

As a 17 year old child had this happened to me I would have been angry with my mother first and my father second. He is in the same position as the daughter. The mother lied to both of them for ten years. No daughter should have to go through something like this. Also had the mother told the father earlier maybe he would have left the mother but still wanted to be a part of the children's lives. It is not fair for a man to have to pay child support on a child that does not belong to him whether he finds out 1 year after the child is born or 15 that is money that the mother unrightfully took from the father.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:10 pm PDT

Lies, Love, and Deception

The child is the center-piece of this argument.  All priorities should be directed toward helping the strain and offering a solution to ease the blow to the being of the child.  That being said, I still do not believe that the non-biological father should have to provide child support, regardless as to how long he fulfilled that role.  This does NOT exclude him from filling a presence role with the child, but not a financial one.  In this case, where the mother knew the truth as to the biological father, she should be required to repay all the child support paid to her from the mis-identified man.  There is no clear right or wrong answer, but I think the common sense factor is pretty easy to see.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:10 pm PDT

People are VERY judgemental

First off, nobody can say that what the wife did in this situation was right.  It wasn't.  I don't even think that she was up there saying she was 100% correct.  However, the ex-husband (can't call him the Dad I guess) was totally wrong toward that child.  How do you profess to love a child that you decide after 10 years that you can't be around because they aren't your blood child???  Wow.  How shallow was that love?

 

The gentleman who sued his ex-girlfriend, just confused the issue.  She wasn't his wife and if he doubted the paternity - I don't know what kind of court made him pay just off her word.  I have a child whose father was THERE for the delivery and STILL didn't have to pay child support until after the DNA test that HE requested.  So, I am not sure what kind of court just took the EX-GIRLFRIEND's word on who the father was, but that court/judge should have been sued.

 

As for women (mothers) vs men (potential fathers)...I'm sorry but Gloria Allred makes a really good point.  There are wayyyyy too many men out there who ARE the father and STILL refuse to pay child support.  News flash ladies: if a man will quit his job to avoid paying support, the law really can't help you collect.  All of that to say - EVERYONE be more careful about who you lay down with.  And if you are suspicious, get the TEST.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:10 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

What this women did was wrong but the thing that I felt that was really irriating was she sat there and agreed with everything said, just nodding her head, The ex got all the heat and she got none, she is the one to blame not him.  He should have continued his relationship with his daughter but not paid child support, it came across to me as all the woman cared about was the child support.  Dr Phil should have been yelling at her instead of the new wife at the end.  Put your feet in his shoes you would probably do the same, sometimes we do things in haste Is it always good???NO but this man was duped by her she deserves to have people come down on her.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

Gloria....Gloria....Gloria

I just wanted to say that Gloria is dead wrong on this issue. Instead of looking at the situation for what it is she would like to talk about all of the dead beat dads that do not pay child support. Although this is an unfortunate truth that does not mean that you should be able to screw good men in order to make up for the bad. two wrond do not make a right and how dare her and I use her words for blamming the gentleman for telling the little girl the truth about who he was once he found out. The girl deserves to know the truth and if I was in his situation I would not want to tell the girl in front of the mother that has lied to the both of them for 10 years. People need to start putting the blame on the right people instead of always passing the buck. This is not an issue about womens rights. This is an issue about fraud. About a women collecting free money from a man based on fraud.....Thats it. Sometimes a man deserves to have some right too. is that not what equallity is actually about.......
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

They are both wrong

Maria and Gloria Allread are both wrong for thinking that it is ok for the father to continue to pay child support for a kid that is not his.  This thinking is so backwards and wrong.  It is also wrong for the father to abandon this child who is a victim the same as he is.  He should have fought the monetary payment with a lawyer but continued his relationship with both girls.  It was not the child's fault that her mother is a lying, cheating woman.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

While I don't think he should have to pay, what he's done to that child is WAY WORSE than paying for a child that wasn't his.

DNA means nothing.  I cannot believe that he had a loving, trusting relationship with that little girl and he threw  those 10 years away over something so stupid.  And I don't blame that girl for wanting him out of her life.  I wouldn't forgive him if it were me.

My father was my biological father.  This "oh so important" DNA.  But he's still not my father, simply because I say so.  He only wanted me as his daughter when it was convenient for him to do so.  He was a horrible man and a horrible father, regardless of DNA.  And I'll spend every day of the rest of my life wishing DNA could be erased.  I'm ashamed that that man was my father.

DNA does not a good father make.

And he threw it all away.  Regardless of what was lied about, regardless of who's paying what.  Forget the stupid money!  A part of that little girls life is destroyed.  I can understand how she feels, because I've felt it.  No money is going to make her feel better.  Yet money is all the adults seem to care about.

They should all be ashamed of themselves.  How DARE they destroy a part of that little girl when they had the power to avoid it.  They're all just as guilty as each other.  One of them has to step up and be a REAL adult and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!".

That little girl lost something worth more than all the money in the world.

That little girl is the REAL victem.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

Deja Vu

I feel my family is in the exact situation as what was on the show today. But my story is with a twitch, I believe the child knows and has known for years she is the not biological child of my husband. Due to the fact of how she treats my husband. She has been raised by a mother that is all for the money, the divorce was over years ago, but she will not leave us alone. He paid his child support throughout his obligation, but his name is not on the birth certificate and she does not carry his last name. He would never think of expressing his doubts to her about this himself, even though I have told him I believe she already knows. For years I have dealt with constant drama, lies, harrassment from this child and her mother, and the latest was just a couple of weeks ago. When does it stop, for one thing the ex-wife needs to realize what divorce is and leave us alone, and she has done for years what they call parental alienation by constantly voicing lies to the children and even to me about my husband, honestly he has made some mistakes with his children, but has repeatly asked for forgiveness and wants another chance regardless of his doubts of one of the children. It has caused an extreme strain on the marriage, and I always treated them as one of my own when they were permitted to be around here. What is a wife and step parent to do?
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

Quit blaming the child

I had always wondered if my son was biologically mine or another mans.  But, for the ten months that my son's biological mother and I were still married, I fell hopelessly in love with that baby boy.  After the divorce I paid child support for four years.  When my son's mother proved herself to be unfit, the courts gave me custody of this little boy.  Without being 100% sure of me being his biological father, I gladly took responsibility for this young life.  For the next three years it was just me and my boy.  When I remarried, my wife, knowing my uncertainties, willingly became his step-mother.  My son's biological mother was absent for most of his life, let alone her paying any child support.  I have never expressed my doubts to my son nor do I intend to.  My boy is now a career military man and has a wonderful family of his own. 

Don't blame the child you have loved.  When it comes to being a father, your kids don't care where the money or the sperm comes from, they only know they love their Daddy.

 
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