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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 1, 2007, 11:55 pm PDT

Thank You So Much

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As a school counselor I need to tell you that you are the type of parent who makes the difference.  Children grow up fast.  They are in our lives way past the time we pay child support. By continuing as parent to a child with whom you have bonded, both you as parent and the child gain life-long benefits, and one day that child's love will equal far more than any of the child support and emotional problems that occurred during the growing years.  I have much admiration for your view-point.
I so appreciate your response to my posting. I guess my 17 years of teaching and being the parent of an 11 and 15 year old are showing. Blessing to you.
 
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November 1, 2007, 11:56 pm PDT

maria's got the market cornered on cruelty....

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What a terrible thing to do to a child. Although I agree that he had a right to be upset at the deception, it was still so very wrong of him to reject that little girl.

 

After I found out that he did that, I lost any sympathy I had for him. The man has no heart. And he did that because of money or because he was angry? He should have directed his anger and his issues concerning money to his ex-wife. 

 

How could he go on national tv with that story? I would be so ashamed!!

sorry there's no room left. she have the market on that!!! she made sure of it when she started this mess. didn't you see her smirkes and smiles? she's not sorry. why continue to make him pay? you don't want to pay someones else's bills anymore than Enrique does?
 
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November 2, 2007, 12:14 am PDT

trying to preserve family by hiding an affair?

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I have sympathy for any man that has been forced to pay support for any child that is not his.  However, one very important point that everyone is missing is that this man and his first wife were living as a family for 10 years with their 2 beautiful children!! What a wonderful thing to give that to those girls.  How dare he, by virtue of  his new and insensitve second wife, question that so many years later and then simply withdraw based on principal.  In this case, he is obvioulsy being led by his you-know-what, and that is more dispicable to me that his first wife trying to preserve her family (which is clearly what she was doing by hiding her affair). 
Are you kidding me? FAMILY! SHE WAS CHEATING WITH HOW MANY MEN? YEA, FAMILY, RIGHT. SHE DESTROYED THAT ON HER OWN..She was having unprotected sex with how many men? Come on, would you want to be in that postion? What if Enrique were exposed to AIDS and found out later?

Insensitive second wife? Are you kidding me? The first is the insenitive one! YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY STANDING UP FOR A LIAR!
 
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November 2, 2007, 2:09 am PDT

The Child Abuse Must End

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I just learned who my biological father was less than 2 years ago! I was furious! When I confronted my biological mother, she denied even having met the man! She's supposed to be soo religious and all!

This whole situation has caused soo much pain and turmoil! No one really understands how something like a lying mother and family members have on you until it happens to them!

Everyone deserves to know who and where they came from!

People have this elevated feeling when it comes to "mothers", but they lie too, especially when it comes to protecting their dirty little secrets! For the witch I know, she didn't want everyone to find out that she was screwing around with at least FIVE guys at the same time!

One day, she will get what is coming to her! I just hope I live to see it!

That woman on the show should get what's coming to her as well. She sounded like a greedy selfish so and so! I also feel that the father should not have rejected the girl! He was the only father she had ever known. I feel the young girl's pain. Things are now strained between me and the man I had always known as my father!

(Anngethers)

 

I have posted in this forum approximately 5 times, exposing my case. This is not about Enrique or me. This is about a system that is failing for the good old mighty dollar on multiple levels. There are true deadbeat fathers, but this shoe fits both feet. This is a crime that is supported by a system of corruption; these mothers are not penalized for their actions if anything they are rewarded.

 

If people knew they could rob a bank and hold no accountability if caught don’t it only make common sense people would rob them, this is no different generally these mothers are motivated by self financial gains, if they claim no look where the argument comes in (CHILD SUPPORT).

 

One poster stated, Dr Phil has opened Pandora’s box, this is more correct then he realizes, Dr Phil has just scratched the surface of true governmental corruption. NO BODY has ever addressed why this is supported by laws, the states country wide hide behind BEST INTEREST of the child, this is nothing more then a façade to cover up the true motivation. MONEY, not the child support but the collection of child support. If people really desire to know the truth simply visit the social security administration web site and google welfare reform, this federal funding, block grant is paid to states for the reimbursement for the collection of child support.

 

I lobby my personal case because it exposes so much, it proves best interest of the child does not exist; it proves it is not about the relationship of father child. They made me pay the biological father child support directly; they gave this man custody of this child when he held no parental rights to care for the child. Just 3 years prior to the mother abandoning this child he was convicted of felony with a firearms and assault with a dangerous weapon for holding the mother and children hostage and threatening to kill them all. This man was legally nothing more then a live-in boy friend when the mother left these children in the home with him that did not matter to the courts as long as the payments kept rolling in.

 

My case right now is sitting in the office of the Department of Justice criminal division as I received notification from them last week it is being worked on. In many of these cases, severe civil rights violations occur and it is almost impossible to hold these judges and courts to accountable. This must end and this must be exposed, I only hope Dr Phil will finish what he has started.

 

 

 

 

 

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November 2, 2007, 3:51 am PDT

The right thing

Sorry this is late, just catching up on shows.  One thing is for sure, Selina is paying the price.  I don't have a degree but if Maria is so concerned about Selina's welfare, why when she was found out did she not say to Enrique "Look I have deceived you for all this time, let's keep things the way they are for her sake, consult professionals on how to handle this first before and if we tell her, and I will get a second job so you don't have to pay support anymore.  I am the one who should literally "pay the price" not Selina".  Gee,

to me, that sounds like the right thing to do!

 
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November 2, 2007, 5:02 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Dr. Phil happens to disagree with you! The only person that broke anyone's heart is MARIA! Thanks for trying though!

That's what I said.....maybe you misunderstood me...MARIA is the only one who broke Enrique's heart.

I've pretty much agreed with your posts so far that I've read........maybe you misread my post.

 
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November 2, 2007, 5:04 am PDT

Huh?

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Dr. Phil happens to disagree with you! The only person that broke anyone's heart is MARIA! Thanks for trying though!
Did you misread my posts? I am on Enrique, Mia and Carnell's side in all this!
 
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November 2, 2007, 5:25 am PDT

Maria is a disgrace of a human being

 That woman showed NO REAL remorse, her smug face, laughing, all she wants is the money.
I'm willing to bet that if the biological father made more money then Enrique that she would have admitted to the affair right away, put his name of the birth certifcate, and sued him for child support.  To me this is a case of whoever makes the most money (therefore pays the most child support) get to be the daddy.
I feel for the child, she was hurt the most, no doubt.  But the poor guy finding out that this child is not his after all that time is also truly a victim of this horrible human being Maria.  It seems that he now has a wonderful new wife, so good for him.  I don't know how Maria found a new husband, guess if they have a child together he better order a paternity test on the day of the birth!
 
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November 2, 2007, 5:26 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Carnell was a victim alright.... of his own stupidity. He of all people should have gotten a DNA test. I certainly wouldn't just take my ex's word that a child belonged to me. IF they had been married I could understand him believing her, but they were not even seeing each other at the time. VICTIM no, SUCKER yes.

Maybe they didn't have DNA tests, maybe the courts refused for him to get one, maybe a lot of things......regardless that he didn't get a DNA test at the time......so what?

You do know it's the law that a man only has 2 years to contest paternity but a women has as many years as she wants to come back and go after a man for child support. Where's the fairness in that?

Carnell should have been able to take her word for it, that it was his child. So what if they weren't together at the time....he knew he had been with her. I'm sure at the time he wasn't thinking about it not being his child.

Funny how people think Maria crap is in the past and should be let go, but they are quick to bring up Carnell's ("oh he is stupid, he should have requested a DNA test") and Enrique's (oh, he is horrible, he abandonded his child).............isn't those things now in the past? Point being, mother's shouldn't lie about the paternity!

 
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November 2, 2007, 6:18 am PDT

Parent Trap

WOW, I've been trying to keep up with all of the post and it's been tough.

 

I have to question if this is the most feed back the show has ever received ??

 

I feel that some have missed the point of this show. And that's that a Father should have the right to decide if he wants to play the Daddy role, if he is not the biological Father.

 

Yes, adoption is a wonderful gift and it' takes two willing partners to want this. And a very giving Mother to bless them with this gift.

Yes, a Man who take on the total responsibility's of raising and caring for a other Man's child, is a Real Man, heart and soul.

 

However, these situations are done with honesty and integrity on all sides.

 

But in the 30% cases were a Man has no idea that he is NOT the father, is WRONG.  There is just no way around this, it's sick and wrong.

 

And the anger towards Maria, is "hot" on the board. I myself have thrown the rocks at her.

 

But, I really think Dr Phil missed the boat on this one. And that's the Point of what makes these kinds of Women "tick"??

And Maria is not alone in this situation. Just from the horror story's that are on the board here, about Women just like Maria..

 

These Women are of a special breed. They cheat, lie, deceive and take no responsibility for their own actions. They are a master at placing the blame on anyone they can. Then continue for years with this and have no remorse. It's all about them. This breed does not put their children above them, no, they use and abuse their children for their own "need". This is a sickness and it's apparent it is an epidemic.

 

And what is so sad, is these Women are "teaching" and "passing this" sickness on to their children. It's like any other  abusive situation, it's rolls like a ball.. And it just keeps getting bigger and rounder. And it's pass along. It's a given here.

 

This show was a total mess.

 

And I agree and feel that Selina should have been at the top of the show here. She need intense counseling and also group therapy for Selina, Enrique and the other daughter. This does need mended.

 

And we have to remember, Enrique, has regrets on what he did, how he did it, and he wants Selina back in his life.

 

Hurt and Hate, there is such a fine line between the two. And Enrique fell between these lines. With reason. But, he has remorse.

 

Then, Dr Phil should have had one on one with Maria. What makes this kind of Women tick. Why does she feel no remorse or what makes her think this entire situation is Mia's fault.

Just what happened to lead to this total destruction in her mind and soul.

 

One in three Women in a marriage "ticks like this".. Come on, let's get to the root of this and see what make them like this..

 

Also, I feel that many who have posted, have had to deal with these kind of Women, in some form. Myself I have dealt with one hateful Ex Wife for over 20 years. And there is a dought about paternity, however my Husband made the choice not to challenge this. And I stand beside his Choice. However, the hate and ugliness and DAMAGE this Women has caused these children, will forever follow them in life.

 

And I feel that Dr Phil has missed the boat on many shows with the divorced parents. Until you have "lived the day to day" pure hell, you just can't get it..

It's easy to say.. put the kids first, use a middle person to drop and pick up the kids. But to get the full story of what goes on behind close doors with a Hateful, no remorse's, and blames everyone else kind of person. It's not cut and dry...

And this should be another show. It's not the same, but, you are still dealing with this "breed" that is an epidemic and causing damage..

 

And while I'm on a roll here. There should be a show just for Step-Parents and the New Spouse. Oh, your marriage ended and it's all the New One's fault.. Please...

 

Mia... Again, I hope you are standing Strong and beside your Husband.

 
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