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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:14 pm PDT

Cannot Believe Gloria Allred

 I just want to start off saying that I watch Dr. Phil on a regular basis, and I have never wanted to give one of Dr. Phil's guests a piece of my mind until I saw Gloria Allred on the show today. I remember watching one episode about a man who was on the show who got through life frauding everyone he came in contact with, Fred Brito I believe, and Dr. Phil was trying so hard to make him see that his ways still have not changed because his mind was still messed up. I was in awe that a man could be so stubborn but I felt that Dr. Phil said everything that needed to be said. However, that is not the case with Gloria Allred on today's show.

I cannot believe the things coming out of Ms. Allred's Mouth. I absolutely cannot stand people who use their stature and status to try to convince people that they are right. I am not familiar with the legal standing on this type of case, but I do know that if the woman never lied, this would have never happened. Gloria had the guts to try to deflect blame and tell the man that he was the one who made a mistake. Granted, he could have told her and handled the situation better, but by no means does that mean that he is still required to pay child support. One of Gloria's points was that there are many women with children who are homeless because they cannot support their child financially. If the woman cheats and has an affair, therefore leaving her broke because she does not receive child support, THATS THE CONSEQUENCE! I hate how Gloria does not understand that every action has an equal reaction. She blames men for things that are absurd! The way Gloria argues her case is almost like saying, a child who gets killed in a hit and run deserved to die because that child was standing there. Instead of blaming the driver, her argument would be that the driver was driving on the road and the child had no place to be in that road.

I apologize for my ungathered thoughts but I just wanted to express some shock and dismay. Gloria Allred abuses her legal stature and is way out of line with the comments she makes.

Dr. Phil, if you ever have a show about viewers who want to confront former guests, I would love to give Gloria Allred a piece of my mind.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:15 pm PDT

Child Support

I am commenting on Child Support, I believe that there is a bigger issue than just the Paternity Test and that is the fact that the Child Support system is so one sided and does not do any investigation into the claim that the woman comes and makes against the father. There is also other facts and that is that the court system does not hear anything that the father says I have lost my job, I dont make the same as I did on my old job, I take care of my kids without child support. There seems to be a injustice in the way that Child support is handled by the Judicial System, and it needs to be alot of changes to Child Support and the way it is handled.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:15 pm PDT

unfair to husband and dad

I can not believe that this woman committed fraud on a birth certificate and  lied to her husdand for 10 years about the paternity of their daughter and she faces no consequence.   i can not understand why the child is mad at the father and not at her mother. This whle thing was her fault. DR Phil why didn't you ask the girl that or point out that she shouldn't feel md at her dad she should realize that he was decieved. She really should hold her  mother accountable for the whole thing .

Also that woman lawyer you had on is an aarogant witch. i never liked her to begin with and i think she   only  talks to hear herself.  I hope she is not a mother because she has no feelings  whatso ever.  The only person that made sense was the man you had on at the end of the show who was scammed by his girlfriend and continued to fight. He was a victim  and knows what it feels like. Woman like this get away with the worst crime there is and that is letting children suffer by not knowing the truth.  This mother is an unfit mother to bring this up 10 years after the fact . She needs to be accountable for fraud and trying to make this man pay. i am sure this man would have continued to paid if he was not presented with it the way he was or not forced to do so. She is the villian here and I didn't see anyone come down on her like they should have. You said it was her fault but you really didn'e ease my mind that you thought she was really guilty.  What a load of crap this show was , nothing even got resolved and this woman still  grins and thinks she did nothing wrong. Give me a break  what kind of help did you give these people?  the only thing you said to the daughter was it was not her fault, did you ever talk to her about the truth ad tell her her dad was put in a difficult situation by her mother.  This woman shoulod have that child taken away from her for being an unfit mother and lying to her.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:15 pm PDT

she made a mistake, move on

c'mon people, she wanted to keep her family intact, obviously the marriage had problems, enrique was not clueless, he chose to be, they raised those kids for 9 yrs! he is her father. to dwell on the mother is a mistake at this point you can't change what happened. she was wrong, but the child only knows and wanted enrique as her father, he is missing out over money, when all is said and done, i doubt that money will give him comfort down the road when he realizes the relationship he has severed and missed on as time goes on. another child paying for adult mistake, hers, then his, two wrongs, don't make a right!
 

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October 29, 2007, 1:15 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

There should a Bill pushed through that's made into LAW that a blood test is need when a child is born be fore a man name is put on a Birth Certifcate even if your Married........That will nip all of this in the but!!!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:15 pm PDT

Paren Trap

On this subject, I believe the child should ALSO know who her biological father is. I think there should be some kind of price the mother should have to pay to lie to the husband for 10 years! Something needs to be done about the women who lie. The way to stop all lies is for every baby born, have the dna test done at birth before the father signs the birth certificate. This way everything is clear right from the beginning.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:15 pm PDT

parent trap

I feel as thinking he was the father for all those years he could of did it differently why hurt the chid now what the wife did was wrong but don;t make the child suffer and feel as no one cares
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:15 pm PDT

Deceit

Dr. Phil:

 

I love your show. It's great and hopefully those appearing before you with problem will take you good advice.

 

It is unfair to lie to someone about the paternity of a child. I believe that once you establish your bond with the child or children, it should never be broken. The child(ren) are not the cause of the deceit or lies and should not be punished for the "sins" of the mother. I don't understand how anyone can take care of a child, be the father (or mother for that matter) and suddenly decide that because the other person lied that the child(ren) will be cut completely off! I don't care how angry you are with the other person, don't penalize the child(ren). Take it up with the adult who deceived you. Where is your heart? If you profess to love the child(ren) than love will and should not allow you to cut them out of your life.  To the women to deceive, you should be ashamed. Love of a child(ren) is not just about money, it is about nuturing, loving, having a maternal, spiritual and emotional bond. You are creating havoc and unhappines in the child(ren) who are involved and make them feel responsible for your deception.

 

Dr. Phil - keep up the great work that you do.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:16 pm PDT

What really makes a Daddy

Everyone is so quick to say that men shouldn't pay if the child is not theirs.  While I agree with that, with all the responsiblity of being a "father" also comes all of the rewards that only a father can have.  What about that little girl who looks up to you to protect her, to kill the spiders in the tub or to chase away the ghosts in the middle of the night.  Oh yea, one day she grows up and wants you (not the biological father) to walk her down  the aisle and give her away.....and  to have that special dance with her.  Can't we give up on the monetary issue and think about how much we receive as parents, whether these children are from our bloodline or not?  If you ask me (and yes, no one has) the rewards far outweigh any amount of money that could ever be "paid".
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

If you want to be the father, you should pay.

I think that everyone tends to forget that the most important thing to remember is the well-being of Selena in this case.  I'm glad that she is handling it as well as she is, but she is about to hit a critical stage in her life where a stable father figure is of ut-most priority.  I think that Enrique is being selfish in this situation.  He doesn't want to pay child support, but still wants to be her father.  I think it's selfish of him to want it both ways.  I'm not sure how the law of adaption works in CA, but as my understanding goes, if the child is adopted, child support no longer has to be paid.  She has a step dad who wants to adopt her, so what's his problem?  His problem is that he doesn't want to be her father, but doesn't want anyone else to be her father either.  I think that who ever is willing to assume the rights as her father should be the one who financially supports her.  Enrique can't have it both ways.  If he gets his way, he's her dad, but she has no one supporting her financially, and THAT is unacceptable.
 
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