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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 4, 2007, 12:05 pm PST

He already did ...

Quote From: beagley

She should never have lied to him about the kid being his.

But his sin is 1000 times worse.  He broke the heart of a child who loved him, trusted him, believed in him.

That kind of damage can never be repaired.

Karma sucks, and he'll get his.

Far as I'm concerned, he didn't deserve to "get" anything - but if that's what you wish, your wish came true.  He has lost a child that he loved and raised - all because of an emotionally brutal lie told by the child's mother.

 

Is that good enough for you?  Or do you wish to inflict even more "karma" on the guy???

 

 
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November 4, 2007, 12:12 pm PST

Right on ...

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When Enrique married Mia....that became HER TRUTH TOO!!!!

Anyone who thinks that paternity fraud does not affect every member of a family, often well into the extended family and step-family, is just plain naive and narrow-minded.

 

I'm "the girlfriend," and I was deeply affected by it.  I pushed, I pursued, and I supported.  Did we like the truth we got?  No.  But I'd rather live an unwelcome truth than a comfy lie any day.

 

I have a whole bunch of pity for any woman out there who maintains that they have a "place" in their husband's life --- put on your big girl panties, ladies, its 2007!!!

 

 
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November 4, 2007, 12:26 pm PST

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When Enrique married Mia....that became HER TRUTH TOO!!!!
 NEVER!  She did not know what the truth was when she brought up the subject about Selina in the first place.  She planted the seed of doubt by asking the question or stating what she thought she observed.  She didn't know what the truth was until after the DNA test.  All she did was sow the seeds of suspicion.  That is a meddler.  Why sow seeds of doubt in a relationship that involves a child who is going to be devastated if the results go against her? 

You can do your best to paint Mia to be some noble person but the world doesn't have that much paint.
 
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November 4, 2007, 12:32 pm PST

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The women had a reason not to admit she had unprotected relationships with other men it's called MONEY!!!  THAT'S RIGHT $$$$$$$$$$.

How dare you say the current wife is horrible for bringing this up?  Have you not read any of the VICTIMS stories here, including the children who have been lied to?  The women cheated on her husband and is now EXTORTING thousands of dollars out of the poort man....AND THE CURRENT WIFE DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK HER MIND?  Please!  I'm sure if these men were not being forced to pay for another man 's child and lied to they wouldn't have such a bad reaction to it all.  THIS IS AMERICA AND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH......YOU TELL ME IF YOUR HUSBAND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANOTHER MAN'S CHILD AND PAYING OUT $$$$ EVERY MONTH YOUR NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING???  Don't ever encourage someone not to be a whisle blower.  If people were honest in the first place there would be no mess.
 She said it and I'll say it, "the current wife is horrible for bringing this up!"  Look at what has resulted!
 
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November 4, 2007, 12:35 pm PST

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I'm sure the woman did not want to admit she had an affair before she knew she was pregnant.  When she found out she wanted to believe the child was her husbands and knew if she had a test to find out for sure she would have to tell her husband so she buried her head in the sand.  If the man thought the child was his for 10 years and then found out she wasn't why shouldn't he continue to support her.  If you adopt a child you support it.  If you have step children you support them.  After 10 years give me a break.  His current wife is a horrible person for even bringing this up to start with.  He is a terrible person for what he's done to this child.  When a girl doesn't have a father in her life it affects her for the rest of her life.  He should be ashamed of himself.  How can you not love a child you have been the father to for 10 years no matter who is the biological father.  If he hadn't been in her life I could understand his position and even consider agreeing with it but since he has been there since her birh he a jerk for the way he's acting.
 This is how I see it all probably happened too.  However, whether it was or not I agree that the current wife is horrible for bringing it up to begin with.  So much devastation and what has been gained???
 
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November 4, 2007, 12:44 pm PST

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HELLO

I JUST FELT COMPELLED TO GIVE MY OPINION ON THIS MATTER. I THINK WHAT THE MOTHER DID IS WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS. SHE SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM FROM THE BEGINNING THAT SHE WAS UNSURE OF PATERNITY. I DO NOT THINK WHAT HE DID TO SELINA IS RIGHT BECAUSE HE IN ESSENCE BLAMED HER FOR THE SINS OF HER MOTHER. I JUST WISH HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN A TIME OUT AND THOUGHT BEFORE HE SPOKE. I DO UNDERSTAND HIS REASONING AND HE SEEMS VERY REMORSEFUL. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE MOTHER IS REMORSEFUL AT ALL. SHE SAT THERE ACTING AS THOUGH SHE DID NOT TAKE ANY OWNERSHIP IN HER PART. I DO NOT BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR SELINA. IF HE HAD KNOWN THIS FROM THE BEGINNING AND MADE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO RAISE HER THEN IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THIS MAN IS A VICTIM IN MY EYES, BUT NOT THE ONLY VICTIM. THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS NOW IS HELPING SELINA.

WHEN I WAS 18 MY MOM PASSED AWAY AND I DECIDED TO ACT OUT. I GOT PREGNANT BY MY THEN BOYFRIEND. I BROKE UP WITH HIM BEFORE I KNEW I WAS PREGNANT. I STARTED DATING MY BEST FRIEND AND WHEN I FOUND OUT I WAS PREGNANT I BROKE IT OFF WITH MY BEST FRIEND. HE TOLD ME HE WOULD RAISE MY DAUGHTER AS HIS OWN. HE MADE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO BE HER FATHER EMOTIONALLY AND FINANCIALLY. I FEEL LIKE IF WE DIVORCED HE WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HER. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT HE HAD A CHOICE. ENRIQUE HAD NO CHOICE AND HE SHOULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THE MOTHER DID.

BY THE WAY I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR. CARNELL SMITH. HE IS AN AWESOME MAN AND I HOPE HE CAN CHANGE THESE LAWS BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

 
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November 4, 2007, 12:46 pm PST

paternity fraud in Pennsylvania

My husband is currently paying child support in Pa for a child that is not his.  We went to court and quickly lost our case.  We soon find out that they do not care about what is right and wrong, in PA the only thing that the child support office cares about is who can they take money from.  We were told that the paternity laws in PA were written 50 years ago when people got married and stayed married forever.  So I decided to try to get the laws updated to reflect a more realistic approach that would allow paternity testing to remove any suspicion that a man had regarding their child.  I quickly discovered that the lawmakers in Pa do not care about what is fair they just do not want lose federal funding for agressively collecting child support.  I personally spoke with the man is Harrisburg that decides what laws are discussed on PA senate floor and was told that it was my husband's fault that his wife cheated on him and that he should have been more careful about who he married.  I was completely shocked that he could say something so ridiculous.  To me that was about the same as saying that someone who dressed provactively deserves to be raped.  I eventually gave up trying to change the laws, and to this day I am still struggling to explain to my kids why Daddy has to pay from someone else's child, so he doesn't have money to pay for things that they need.
 
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November 4, 2007, 12:53 pm PST

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The women had a reason not to admit she had unprotected relationships with other men it's called MONEY!!!  THAT'S RIGHT $$$$$$$$$$.

How dare you say the current wife is horrible for bringing this up?  Have you not read any of the VICTIMS stories here, including the children who have been lied to?  The women cheated on her husband and is now EXTORTING thousands of dollars out of the poort man....AND THE CURRENT WIFE DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK HER MIND?  Please!  I'm sure if these men were not being forced to pay for another man 's child and lied to they wouldn't have such a bad reaction to it all.  THIS IS AMERICA AND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH......YOU TELL ME IF YOUR HUSBAND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANOTHER MAN'S CHILD AND PAYING OUT $$$$ EVERY MONTH YOUR NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING???  Don't ever encourage someone not to be a whisle blower.  If people were honest in the first place there would be no mess.
 I'll answer your question.  If I were involved in just this situation and I was in Mia's place I would NEVER say one word, because common sense tells me that the only thing that will ever come of this is the devastation of the child.  The court will probably still make him pay.  So what is to be gained???

Yes we have all kinds of rights, but sometimes being the better person means we set aside our own rights for the betterment of another.  That is especially so when it involves the well being of a child and one who loves you to death even more so.  Not to mention that you also love her.

Mia is not a whistle blower, she was a sower of suspicion in a relationship she has managed to devastate.  Perhaps that was her true motive in the first place.
 
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November 4, 2007, 12:57 pm PST

Amen

Quote From: beagley

She should never have lied to him about the kid being his.

But his sin is 1000 times worse.  He broke the heart of a child who loved him, trusted him, believed in him.

That kind of damage can never be repaired.

Karma sucks, and he'll get his.
 Amen, Amen, Amen
 
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November 4, 2007, 1:12 pm PST

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I'm Mia (the current wife). I could not have said this better! Thanks for your input. As honest, tax payers, we need to put a stop to the lies and make people take responsiblity for their actions. Our taxes are going to force men to pay child support for children that are not theirs. It should be a choice. Enrique's choice was taken away from him when he was lied to. What if we wanted to have children of our own? Who's going to support them after all our court costs, child support, emotional stress, etc. The bio dad lived with Maria and Selina for over two years. This is a fact on public record, and apparently he washed his hands of it and started another family with a new wife! Where are my rights as a second wife?
 The fact that you agreed with Betch28 says a lot about you and substantiates what I have thought of you all along.  It is all about money.  What court costs and emotional stress are you talking about?  You have brought all this upon yourself.  Both you and Betch 28 sound like cold people.

As for your rights as a second wife.  They come AFTER the rights of the child that your husband loves and has supported all her life.  You knew he had two children when you married him.  What you have done far outweighs what Maria did in the first place.  It is just possible she did what she did to protect her child, what you did was for YOUR so called rights.  Time to start being HONEST with yourself.
 
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