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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

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 It seems this all could have been avoided by Enrique's second wife. Even if she had doubts about whether Selena was his real daughter, she should have not interfered in the relationship. She put herself between the" father "and the child and caused pain that could have been avoided. Yes the Mom was wrong to lie from the start.

I can only assume Enriques' second wife was more worried about money and "getting back" at the ex wife than she was about her husband and the sweet girl Selena.

Some time it is better, in spite of how smart a person thinks they are, to just keep something like this to yourself, rather than causing great pain to others, especially to a child.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

parent trap

i dont understand  why the mother is so worry about how her daughter an him are doing

when she the one doing it all . if she real care about how her daughter feel she for get the

child sport an let them see eatch other . but she not going to let go of the money . she in it for

her self an not her daughter . she should let him see the kid. an forget the child sport send she

the one who did the wrong . i think the morther out for the money an dosent care for her daughter at

all her will been . the all yell at the men for not being with the daughter i all so think its the monther

too .

 

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October 29, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

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She's the one, why innocent men has to pay for those men that don't own up tothey're own responsiblity.  She had the nerve to smile about it.  The child was the one to hurt because of her.  She needs to pay back what he was ordered to pay.  It sad she thought sleeing around on her husbamd and then covering it up, not being honest with him and got the nerve to tell him her family has dark skin and curly hair.  She was covering her step because she knew that wasn't his child from the beginning.  Good men are being blame for other men responsibility.  He was wrong for pushing that child out of his life, because it wasn't her fault.  He should've got some help before he did what he did.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

Shame on you, Maria

First, Maria, shame on you for not being honest from the beginning.  You knew that this man may not have been Selina's father.  Were you going to keep this a secret and take it to your grave if you and Enrique remained married and there was no divorce?  I agree that Enrique should have handled this situation better in regard to how he addressed it with the child.  He also said that he wished he had handled it differently.  I don't believe that he should still be required to pay child support.  Also, how could Chris even consider adopting Selina at this point in time?  I think he is genuine in his offer.  There are still many unresolved issues.  Emotional issues, first.  There is much healing that needs to transpire for all of the parties concerned including the older daughter.  What are Enrique's parental rights, does he get to claim this child on his income taxes, has the true biological father been notified that he has a child, has a DNA test been done to prove that he is in fact the child's father, should he be paying the support, should the child have this man's last name, wouldn't he have to give consent for the child to be adopted, or, even though Enrique is not the true father, does he have to give up parental rights for the natural father or Chris to legally consider Selina to be either of their child?  Maria has messed up many people's lives especially her children's-both of them.  In her desire to keep her affair a secret rather than address the issues in the beginning, she has caused her children severe emotional trauma.  It would have been easier for all concerned for her to have told the truth from the beginning.  Enrique may still have wanted to raise this child or he may not have; but either way, the truth would have been known.  It would have been easier for Selinda and her sister to deal with having or not having Enrique in Selina's life as a small child rather than as a ten year old and now a young teen having to deal with the feelings of abandonment and being caught in the battles of her parents as to who is more at fault.  I wish all of these folks the best.  I hope that Enrique and Selina can reunite, and perhaps, heal some of the damage that has occurred.  Again, shame on you, Maria. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

The main point that was missed.

I am a law student, I have worked and studied in the family law field I have delt with paternity and child support on many levels.  The point that was missed is that the most important thing is the child and the court knows this.  So after the first two years if the father has not challeged paternity (even if for good reason) the childs interests become more important than the fathers.  This is because the court acknowledges that a child is helpless in this situation and deserves to have the life it would have if it had a full and functioning family, and this includes the same financial support.  The courts assume that adults have the ability to see this and understand that yes there is injustice but that child should not be punished for the mistakes of adults around them.  Therefore the states primary interest is in the child.  However, if another father biological or not steps up and claims that they will care for a pay for that child then they can and will be allowed to take over the payments and to care for the child, but that father has to come forward, the courts do not have the resources to track down every childs biologocal father. The only possible solution to this is to require DNA tests on all babies when they are born, but then there would be an outcry of constitutional violations, this is why it is an option everytime a baby is born the parents can opt to have a DNA test but it is not required because this would be unconstitutional.  So in the end the main point is that the court sees THE CHILD AS NUMBER 1 priority, and their interests come first.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I think it is rediculous that a women who lied to her husband and children is getting off the way she is. Gloria Allred should be ashamed of the message she is sending every women that watched the dr. phil show today. The fact that a well established attorney is saying that Enrique should continue to pay child support is letting any women who wants to trap a man know that she can get away with it. I agree it was wrong the way Enrique handled the situation with his daughter, but all of this happend because of the mother...not him. She is the liar and adulterer. He should have continued his relationship...but the child support should come from her or the biological father. I really feel sorry for Selena and Enrique for getting dragged into this situation by a person who obveously has no morals. I am happy that carnell smith was able to show men that you do not have to stay a victim of a situation like that..they should continue to fight!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

Paternity tests

The only true way to stop the epidemic of falsifying legal documents such as claiming the father on a child’s birth certificate is to mandate a simple paternity test at childbirth by law and covered by medical insurance.  It will take out the human factor of guilt, which many mothers are able to use against unsuspecting men at the time of birth.  This may increase the divorce rate.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

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I have 2 children that their Dad and I both know they belong to him. Since 1995 when he was ordered to pay child support, he still owes 22,000.00. Goes from job to job cons the courts and has never been put in jail, or any kind of punishment. I have went to court 3 times, the judges orders something, but it's never followed thru with BCSE. As for this Dad, he had to have known if nothing else in his heart, and it was just wrong for him to tell the little girl the way he did. I was the child that found out very early, my Dad wasn't my Dad, and at the age of 45 I found my real Dads obit on the internet. So you have no ideal what you do to these children, your were just thinking of yourself and keeping your money. The Mom was very wrong fro not letting him know she may not be his. I have went thru this for 45 yrs. the lies HURT.

 

Karen Hubbard

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

Gloria sure missed the point

I just finished watching the show and had to post a message.  One can't condone what the father

did in this instance, however, to have to listen to Gloria Allred twist the issue of child support and equate it to father's in default of payment was just WRONG.  I knew things were going south when the intro to her speaking depicted one man convicted of murder and the other tried for the same (Scott Peterson and OJ). 

 

I couldn't agree more with the guest speaker who was defrauded by his ex girlfriend.  He spoke eloquently and with soft conviction (perhaps Gloria should take a page out of the relax book) in defence of the father.

This is not a "one of" as suggested by Gloria and quite frankly, to the contrary...more the norm.  

 

Dr. Phil -   What  can't be ignored when dealing with family issues is that people react to injustices and hurtful behaviours, often at the expense of children.  It's not an excuse for the behaviour, more an observation.  Is it right - obviously not.  It will always exist given human behaviour. 

 

It's my opinion that Mom should step up to the plate given her indiscretion  and move aside to let Enrique continue to be the father he is to Selina.   And yes, without a red cent in Mom's pocket!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

parent trap

It is certainly unfortunate that a father finds out later that he is not the father of a child he thought was his. His relationship with the child should not have to change, emotionally. The child may not need to know at a young age.  Whether the father pays support payments to the mother should become his choose. His continued relationship with the child will include providing things she may need or want, not money given to the mother.  Money all too often becomes the main issue, rather than the feeling and future of the child.

I raised 3 children on my own. Their father sometime paid support, and sometimes did not. We struggled financially, but I left the door open for my children to have a relationship with him on whatever level they could manage between them, without allowing money to complicate things further. They thank me for that today, now that they are grown with children of their own. Pay Woods

 
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