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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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November 6, 2007, 12:16 pm PST

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: kimberlykee

Aw c'mon, don't sell yourself short - you're not really savvy on any level, not just medically.

 

When I first met my boyfriend and starting learning more and more about his situation, I have to admit, I got really angry with him.  Why doesn't he demand visitation with his daughter?  Why doesn't he cover her with his insurance?  Why doesn't he know whether or not he was on her birth certificate?  Why, why, why?  And it PISSED me off, really made me so angry and frustrated that he wasn't stepping up. 

 

From my perspective, what he was doing was not in the best interests of the child.  This is a loving and generous man whose daughter had a right to have him in her life.  But from his perspective, he was trying to keep peace, to let his own desire to truly father his child fall into second place behind risking an ugly court fight and the liklihood of parental alienation by his ex.  People who lie for these reasons don't just lie, they manipulate to an extreme degree to get what they want.

 

I eventually realized that my anger was not only directed at the wrong person, but was unproductive.  The core of this problem is that these mothers are lying for their own self-serving purposes - they are prostituting their children.  What happened was no fault of Selina's, Enrique's, or Mia's.  There were some bad judgments, some poor choices, and a boatload of regret, but none of them would have been sitting there to begin with if not for yet another self-serving, lying, extortionist who will walk away without an ounce of regret or punishment.

 

In my case, I also realized that my boyfriend's self-inflicted punishment was far worse than any damage my own anger could inflict.  What he went through, what he is going through today - I cannot put it into words.  And for you to call any man victimized by this crime "stupid" for not knowing better, you are calling my boyfriend stupid, which he is far from, and with that you cross the line from reasonable debate into shameless name-calling and a pointless point.

 

You are NOT entitled to call any of those men stupid, and your lack of empathy and/or sympathy is evident, no need to explain that.  You are self-righteous, as well - much like Maria - and sit in judgment of people you know nothing about because it makes you feel better about yourself.  Because you feel entitled to do so.

 

I thought we were all here to discuss a real problem in our country that CAN and SHOULD be stopped.  I did not realize we were all here to point fingers and sit in judgment of those who are victimized - children and adults alike.  To sit here and call people stupid is so unproductive.  I was hoping that we could figure what to DO about it.

 

Ah, now I see why you get so defensive. Your boyfriend got caught in the same type of situation that Carnell did.  He just took her word too, huh? Didn't have a reason to doubt. Maybe I'm not savy like  you say, but like I told you, before when it happened to us I didn't just accept her word.  As far as my name calling as you put it, tough, I call it like I see it. I still can't see a person being so trusting about a life altering thing like this. To me it makes sense to question the validity of the claim.  As for being entitled to my opinion, yes I am. If you or anyone else doesn't like it ,my suggestion would be DON'T READ IT. You already know how I feel, so take a chill pill and bypass my posts.

 
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November 6, 2007, 1:01 pm PST

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I believe that Mia has posted several times in response to the opinion that she was concerned about only the money. She has repeatedly said it was not about the money.

 

Several of these posts keep referring to Enrique's children, plural. He has ONE child with his ex wife, not two. Again, this entire mess is solely on Maria's shoulders.

 

The entire theory of children coming first is being so misconstrued here. Yes, children need adequate clothing, shelter, food, stability and security. Second marriages are very important to children. The only thing worse than children going through one divorce, is if they have to go through a second one. But even in in tact first marriages, the kids do occassionally have to take a back seat to the adults around them and their needs. It is strong marriages that create happy healthy children, regardless of the numerical sequence, not lying, deceipt, cheating or stealing.

 

We have become a population who speaks in standard, canned phrases. What is the "best interest of the child" and who gets to determine what that is? What does "children first, money second" even mean? For anyone who believes that applies to this case, feel free to send that lying thief Maria your hard earned dollars, at the expense of any children you have living in your household or future children you might consider having. I'm astounded at how willing some people are to be so free about spending someone else's money. And to minimize it by calling child support "a few dollars".

 

Btw, I am not a friend of Mia. I have never met the woman, so for anyone who says the only people defending her are her friends, you are sadly mistaken.



Children come first when they were first before you, the second mate. Until they are of age.  In a first marriage that same principle doesn't apply unless one of the parents is an abuser and then once again the child should come first. 

When Mia married Enrique she 'thought' he had two children.  In essence he did.  He had been supporting them both and loved them both.  Biologically he had one, emotionally he had two.  Biology a parent does not make.  I'm only sorry emotionally he wasn't more attached.  He could of saved a lot of heart ache.  Even to himself ,it appears as if he is sorry for his rash behavior.

I see you bring up money again.  It staggers me that that is what it always comes back to. 


 
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November 6, 2007, 1:09 pm PST

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Quote From: tvexploits

MARIA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HERSELF.  SHE IS A LIAR AND AT CHEAT AT A MINIMUM THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE.     I DON'T SEE ANYONE ON THE BOARD DEFENDING THAT SORRY EXCUSE FOR A  HUMAN BEING!   MOST OF THE POSTERS HERE ARE DISGUSTED BY MARIA!
You're right Maria should be ashamed of herself.  So should Enrique and so should Mia.
 
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November 6, 2007, 1:22 pm PST

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Quote From: tvexploits

MARIA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HERSELF.  SHE IS A LIAR AND AT CHEAT AT A MINIMUM THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE.     I DON'T SEE ANYONE ON THE BOARD DEFENDING THAT SORRY EXCUSE FOR A  HUMAN BEING!   MOST OF THE POSTERS HERE ARE DISGUSTED BY MARIA!
You said, why don't I direct this to Maria?  Did you read the post?  I was speaking about 2nd wives.  It would apply to her if her present husband has any young children.  Why don't you comment on what I did say?  Why do you think that would not work?

All I see you do is vilify Maria, okay, we have the cross arriving any minute.  Do you have a concrete idea in your head other than this?
 
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November 6, 2007, 1:30 pm PST

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Quote From: sportster01

I can't seem to understand that after 10 years he no longer wanted to be her father because of DNA. What a shame, Enriquiz was lied to yes but after all the years as that young girls father DNA should not matter. If he really loved her as his own nothing or no one would be able to break that bond. A really man would know that. As for his new wife well those two deserve each other. May they live a greedy life together. And I pray that nothing happens to that youg girl because Enriquez will need the rest of his life and hers to forgive himself for what he did to his daughter....
 Thanks for being another voice of reason.  Have you noticed all anyone can say who supports what Enrique's wife did is talk about the money?

None of them seem one bit concerned about the welfare of the child.  Well I for one do and it is nice to see that you do too.

 
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November 6, 2007, 1:37 pm PST

Lived this nightmare

I know first hand how devastating this kind of deception can be.  My son, at 17 yrs. old, was informed by his high school sweetheart that she was pregnant with his child.  He had no reason to believe that she had ever been unfaithful and took on the responsbility of a father like a man.  He continued to excel in school and graduated early with a full scholarship at a local community college.  He went to all parenting classes and stayed by his girlfriends side throught the best and the worse of times.  His girlfriend we found out, after she was pregnant, was bi-polar so needless to say, she put my son and our entire family on an emotional and mental rollarcoaster during and after the pregnancy.  But because my son loved her for being the mother of his child, our entire family loved her and I treated her like a daughter.  When my grandson was about 6 months old, my son finally decided that he could not keep the relationship together and broke up with his girlfriend.  He organized his work and school schedule around days and times that would work best for his ex and the baby in order to have him for 4 hrs. p/day, 3 days per week and alternate weekends.  He also immediately began paying her child support.  But due to her mental issues, nothing was ever easy or drama free.  It was then that we decided to pay an attorney to file motions for my son's visitation and custody rights. Our attorney adviced that a paternity test be done, just in case, and adviced my son that if decided to not have one now and later found he was not the father, he would likely have to continue to raise and support the child as his own regardless of any future findings. Although my son did not feel the test was necessary, he moved forward with it.  On Oct. 27, 2005 (one month after my grandson's1st birthday) we received the devasating news that my son was not the father of the baby.  This girl knew there was the possibility and never said a word.  She put our family through hell for two years and nearly destroyed my son's life and future.  We immediately stopped all contact with the baby and his family because we felt that she had given us such a hard time with visitations when she claimed he was the father, we knew that she would hold this against my son every chance she got and would keep the baby away.  It was like we experienced a death in the family and we had to rid of every picure, toy, blanket, diapers, bottles... it was unbearable!  This child was baptized and my nephew is the Godfather.  Needless to say, that relationship is severed.  My son felt that living in small town he would likely run into his ex and the baby and his heart could not bear it.  He gave up his scholarship, transferred to another college and moved about 90 miles away in order to start again.  So in a matter of months, I felt like I lost my grandson and my son in one shot. 

 

Luckily, he has the mind and spirit of an amazing, strong and mature young man.  Although none of his classmates and new friends know of what he's been through, they all comment on how mature he is for his age.  He always says that he is one of the lucky ones.  He was given the opportunity to see how hard it is to be a young parent.  He knows that he will one day make a fantastic father and husband but he was given a "do-over".  His slate was wiped cleaned and knows how hard life can really be.  I thank God for the advice that he recieved from his attorney.  I also grieve for the beautiful grandson that I once had.  I saw him come into this world and shared all of the important events in the first year of his life.  I know that when the time comes, and other grandchild comes to our family we will love him or her more than anything else in the world.

 
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November 6, 2007, 3:52 pm PST

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I think that the father on the show should not feel guilty about not wanting to pay child support, he should not even feel guilty about choosing not to see someone else's child.  I think that it should be his choice rather to do these things and he should not feel guilty about it.  Now being an extraordinary human, he can still provide emotional support for this child, if he chooses since he has so much love for this little girl.  But he definitely should not have to pay child support.  I did an essay on child support in Michigan and for the most part men are paying child support, while women work and have another provider for a child, when men do not even have the choice to have the child live with them or not.  THE ENTIRE CHILD SUPPORT SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
 
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November 6, 2007, 3:57 pm PST

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Quote From: ladypat26

You said, why don't I direct this to Maria?  Did you read the post?  I was speaking about 2nd wives.  It would apply to her if her present husband has any young children.  Why don't you comment on what I did say?  Why do you think that would not work?

All I see you do is vilify Maria, okay, we have the cross arriving any minute.  Do you have a concrete idea in your head other than this?
I am sorry, we should be disgusted at Maria, she ruined the child's life not the father.  He is not a bad person, he is not the father.  He has a choice.  As saw a caring man sitting on that stage, not a bad one.  Whats wrong with you people, leave this man alone, he did not do anything wouldn't have done 10 years ago.  He has choices!
 
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November 6, 2007, 4:00 pm PST

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Children come first when they were first before you, the second mate. Until they are of age.  In a first marriage that same principle doesn't apply unless one of the parents is an abuser and then once again the child should come first. 

When Mia married Enrique she 'thought' he had two children.  In essence he did.  He had been supporting them both and loved them both.  Biologically he had one, emotionally he had two.  Biology a parent does not make.  I'm only sorry emotionally he wasn't more attached.  He could of saved a lot of heart ache.  Even to himself ,it appears as if he is sorry for his rash behavior.

I see you bring up money again.  It staggers me that that is what it always comes back to. 


Great point!  Yeah she has a husband to support her now, why should this man have to pay child support?  Taking care of her emotionally may be what the child needs, but the simple fact is, the biological father should be paying not this man.
 
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November 6, 2007, 4:08 pm PST

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First off, if the hospital switched you baby at birth and 10 years later, you find out the one you have is not yours.  WOuld you want your child and give the other one back while paying child support?  That is ridiculous, you may want to still have a relationship with this child, but come on you would think that the REAL parents should pay for this child living, not you.  You may want to volunteer some money, but do you think it would be fair for the court to order you to pay for this child?
 
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