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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

Upsetting Topic

The solution to this problem is sad but obvious. All babies should be routinely DNA tested at birth.

 

If the mother on the show was so sorry and so concerned about her daughter, she should have told Enrique, begged for his forgiveness and allowed, even encouraged the relationship to continue and voluntarily give up any claim to financial support.  She even persists by letting that poor child think that this is Enrique's fault. She needs to set that record straight, loud and clear. This is completely her fault and Enrique is as much of a victim as the child is. Enrique's reaction was wrong but unless you are in that position, who knows how violated he must have felt.

 

This womans lack of ethics and morals is frightening. I have no idea how she could sit on that stage and insist that she lied but that poor man has to keep paying. And for Dr. Phil to say that the child comes first and money second, is easy when it's not his money we are talking about. This could possibly be preventing Enrique to have more children because of his false responsibility to the child who isn't his.

 

For there to be any suggestion of public policy to keep children like these off the welfare rolls is ludicrous. She is on welfare, it just happens to be being paid by one unrelated person rather than society at large. We can't use men as paychecks. We should be so far beyond that by now and for a feminist attorney to not acknowledge the gross abuse perpetrated by the mother was ridiculous. This is the kind of woman who makes it even harder for honest women to be taken seriously or believed.

 

Cheers to the man who fought this in Georgia. He needs to keep this fight up till all states recognize the fraud being inflicted on men. And women won't stop playing this horrendous, devastating game, until all of us refuse to accept it as being ok. Women especially need to advocate for the men being treated in this fashion.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I cannot believe that the mother might have known that there may have been a possibility that this man for almost 13 years may not be the father.  She should have said something sooner than now.  She cheated the father and her own child.  Instead of her going after this man, she needs to look for the biological father and pursue it with him.  She was wrong and all of this could have been avoided if she had stepped up and spoke to her daughter as well as him. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:18 pm PDT

It's called FRAUD for a reason.

I think one point that a lot of people are forgetting is that until approxiamately the past decade, DNA evidence was something that was neither widespread nor cheap. 

 

That lawyer sounded more like she was on a campaign trail than trying to bring up any points that were valid towards the argument.  Get off of your soapbox and find out how people who aren't making 6 or 7 figures a year live.

 

There is no way that a man should have to pay for someone else's child.  I do understand that people need to be careful of hurting the children as they are after all innocent.  But to make the man pay for the child support is ridiculous.  You don't think that there are women out there who could possibly have 4 or 5 different men as the possible fathers, and they just choose the one who makes the most money or has had a steady job the longest to go after for child support?  Whether they have the highest possibility of being the father  or not?  I think that men have every right to ask for a paternity test before they start paying support, or if in doubt, get a test to END support.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:19 pm PDT

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 I only disagree with one thing you said today Doc. You said that children are more imortant than money! Maybe that would be true if it was his child. For you it is easy since you have millions. This poor guy Enrique has for the past 13 years has been shoveling money into a relationship and a child that was not his! Children cost money, pets cost money! So money is more important before you make a decision to have a child. Enrique was conned and lied to by a woman who apparently is not a God fearing woman. The only thing he should think of is finding the real father for the child and be emotionally supportive to her. However he should not have to pay one cent and should sue the mother for damages. God bless this terrible situation and God help the people involved. Thank you Dr. Phil for having such a hard topic to think about!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:19 pm PDT

I agree

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I agree with most here.  I don't believe a father has to pay if it turns out that they are not the father.  Granted I do not think in this particular story that the man did the correct thing.  But I do not feel he has to continue to pay for this child.  Why doesn't the mothers who know that the child is not the said fathers do not get punished for this.  Why doesn't the courts make it a law that DNA tests be made when the couple seperates and the 'parents' go their seperate ways.  The couple should have to pay for this as per a law.  I did not agree with the LOUD lawyer on this show who says this does not happen often, it does happen, a lot.

Mothers do not get held to the same standards as the fathers does, if a mother does not take care or provide for the child they dont blame the mother, the blame the father, she does not have to go to court, she does get in trouble and there are alot of prigrams to help woman so that they can provide for the kids, and thesome fathers have taken care of the kids since they were born and should not have to be in a system like Child Support. The facts should be known first before anything or any Child Support is Handed out.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:20 pm PDT

What about the child?

Although I understand the frustration this man must feel, I think it is very unfortunate that he does not continue to pay for his daughter. He was a father to this girl for 10 years, and now he has turned his back on her completely.

 

Although women who do this give women everywhere a bad name, I think this man should continue paying for this child. What is a child supposed to think when a man says that he is still her father,  but won't be supporting her financially anymore. Isn't that all part of being a father? How is this child supposed to trust someone who says he is still her father, but when it comes to let's say going to college, she cannot even approach this man for money for books? If this man is going to continue to be this child's father, then he needs to do so in every sense of the word. And yes, that means money.

 

How can someone say to a child, "I love you unconditionally, just don't expect me to help raise you financially?". I think that what this woman did to this man and this child is horrific, but it is done and everyone needs to get over it. Now the only question should be is what is the best way to handle the situation that is in the best interest of the child.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:20 pm PDT

Views from an abandoned child.

I so wanted to be on the show today and focus on the side of this issue that I know best......that of being plagued all my life by feelings of abandonment and worthlessness because my own biological father basically didn't have alot to do with me after my parents divorced and did not pay child-support in 11 years except for 2 or 3 payments.  As the child involved, that lack of caring for me made me feel as though I wasn't worthy, that I wasn't important, that he didn't really care enough about me.  I know there are differences in this situation, but the ramifications on Selina could be drastic.  I was only 7 when my parents divorced and she is much older, so that will help.  On the flip side of this issue, I definitely do not believe that men should be held to a financial responsibility to children that are not their own.  I do not understand women who would willingly trick men into thinking that a child is theirs.  I find the mothers actions horrible, and she seems to be getting off easily with the focus being on how terrible Enrique is.  She is horrible for doing this!  Enrique was the victim here, but in turn he should not make Selina be another victim.  While I do not think that he should be made to support Selina by a court of law, I would hope that he would rise to the occasion and volunteer to take care of her because of the time and emotional attachment that he had invested with her.  She is not the one who should pay the price here.  If anyone should pay, it should be the woman who lied and who is really the one who caused this hurt to her daughter in the first place. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:20 pm PDT

catch 22??

my opinion? - yes, I agree child first money second.. HOWEVER< I disagree strongly that any man should be forced to pay any money. for support if the child is not his.  That's just common scense.  in the example on today's show.  The woman chose first. That led to the road on which that story is based and led to a bad ending.  If that man decides not to pay, I agree with him.  If he chooses to pay, I agree with him.  Child is first emotionally.. .. but when it is not his child he should not have to support that child.  Let the mother find the real father and force HIM to pay or accept that she is the sole provider like millions of other women do.

This whole thing is just unfair AND unjust to many a man!  It is an outrage!  I

~jmo

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:20 pm PDT

the nereve of her

She is to blame for all of this inculding the emotional stress her daughter is going through.  She knew all along and went along with it.   I feel sorry for the girl but I fully blame the mom. Didn't she know one day it may catch up to her and at the end her daughter would be affected by this.  She had no remorse for what she did .  Everytime I looked at her face she showed no emotions what so ever.  Doesn't she realize what she has done and how many people's lifes she affected inculding the ones she claims she loves her children.  I have no respect for her. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:20 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I understand Enrique's feelings. I also understand why Maria enquired about the paternity. To Maria I will say this, I like you am married to a man who has two children. One of the children I truly believe not to be his. However, I have not said a word. I did however swab both their mouths to find the truth and I was correct. I bet you all ask why didnt I tell?  Because the child is a child and she was already 10 yrs old at the time. I felt that no good could come of it and in our state the difference between one and two hildren was only about 400 a month. Does it burn inside me? Yes, especially because if there is a word stronger than deeply dislike I feel that way about this child. In fact I have never liked the child and refuse to acknowledge or even speak her name. But who would I be to take her father espevially when her mother is a piece of trailer trash. But again to some extent I blame my husband as well. We all know the saying "you cant make a hoe into a houswife" thus I am not sure what he expected. I believe Enrique suspected before this was not his child otherwise he would not have acted upon his wifes suggestion of a DNA test. However, I believe that if the mother were a real woman she would have given up the money for Enrique and the child to continue their relationship. She is not a mother!!! She appeared to revel in his suffering on the show during her interview. She smiled, laughed and had laughter . How could she when what she did so affected her daughter. The fact thatshe continues to harras this man for money shows more than anything she cares nothing about her daughter. Because after the suffering of her child a real mother would have done anything to stop the pain. This woman should be prosecuted because she knew this was not his child. Even if Enrique has to pay there needs to start being reprocusions towards the mother. I live in a militarytown and I do believe that 30 percent of the people are not raising "their children", but someone elses. I have seen it, heard about it, and seen the effects. This is a sad state of affairs. She chose Enrique because he made more money plain and simple. She is a Money Grubbing .................................

Who are you to play God? You had no right to swab anyone's mouth with or without your husband's permission or his former spouses permission. If you never tell your husband that is as bad as lying to him yourself because what you have done is equally dis loyal. If you can't trust your spouse then who can you trust?

 
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