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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

  I was really shocked to find that in todays society people are being forced to be financially responsible for another persons child!!!  That women should be held responsible for the lies she told. She is truly shameful. If someone robbed the liquor store, the owner thought it was you,or blamed it on you, should you still be punished if it was proven it wasn't you??? Absolutely NOT!!!  The judge in that case should allow that man to be in the life of the child should he choose to, he DEFINATELY should not have to pay. I agree that it is not the best thing for the child. That man should be paid back for the money that she cheated that man out of.  I was very disappointed in Gloria Alred, I had anticipated she would have a better arguement. I felt she was double talking and side stepping the real issue. That man and his family are being punished for wrongs committed by that mother.  To me, that mother didn't show much remorse or sorrow for what she has done to her own child, not to mention that man who was trying to do the right thing. Just so you know where I am coming from, I have two beautiful girls whos father has nothing to do with them, and pays child support irregularly. I struggle every day to make it on my own. I also think when that girl turns 18, the mother should have to pay back every dime she has conned out of that man.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

Require DNA tests at CS hearings

 

 I think a lot of this paternity fraud, could be eliminated if it was simply the law that if you are going for child support, you know there will be a DNA test.  There was a time, when you had to take the woman's word for it, but that time is long gone.  The laws have to catch up with today's science.  Paternity fraud is one crime that is completely preventable.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

legal document

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What a world we live in!  I can't believe anyone would think a man should pay child support for a child he didn't father!  That's insane!  I agree with Carnell.  Let that man who raised that child have a role in a child's life but don't make him have to pay to have that relationship.  That child isn't for sale!  That mother chose to sleep with more than one man at a time without telling Enrique and she should have to either go after the biological father for the money and/or get a job or two to support her own kids.  It is NOT right to make a man pay for another man's child!

We need to start making women take responsibility for their promiscuity.....not reward them by punishing innocent men!  I guess Gloria Allred thinks we need to start getting every baby DNA tested just in case???  That's nuts.

As a woman, I find it digusting that these females would do such a thing!! 
A birth certificate is a legal document. Any person who falsifies a legal document is in violation of the law whether it involves a child, a car, a dog, a house, whatever. The biological father is probably a loser and Maria knows it, which is why she put Enriques name on the birth certificate. Maybe she knew she couldn't get anything out of him anyway. Enrique and Selina should stick together and really stick it to Maria and make her pay. Sounds to me like Enrique considers Selina his daughter and that is the only father she knows. Why would she want to stay with her lieing, deceiving mother when she knows she has an honest, loving father? He freaked out over the lie, not the money. I think Selina should give her Dad a break and go live with him and let her Mom live with her lie.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

this is crazy

i was so mad at this subject..i wished i could call in and give my opinion..the mother should not have lied to enrique..she knew it was not his baby..if it wasnt about the money then why did she file for child support..she is accusing enrique of being selfish when he asked for a paternity test when she was selfish from teh beginning in not telling him the truth and asking for child support when teh relationship ended.. if enrique knew the truth from the beginning then he would have acted differently. he might have stayed with maria and fathered that child..or he could have left , which he totally would have the right to because maria cheated on him while they were married. then there wouldnt have been tehat attachment for 10 years..it is completly marias fault that the child may grow up to not trust anyone or have a father figure. and while she was oln teh show she was smiling and laughing as if this is a joke and i could swear she looked liek she was proud of what she did..i dont theink she is fit to be a mother..she has 2 daughters and she ahs set many bad examples. such as cheating while married, and lying to the government..those are the two biggest  sins religioulsy and by law...the government has penalties  if the aplicant lies on teh birth certificate application and in christianity : thou shall not commit adultry, or lie for that matter. this lady should not be a mother..she got me so mad. when i filled out my sons application i was scared filling it out in case i spell something wrong , whcih is not a crime.  but she intended on lying on the application, she  did it willingly which is horrible. she is a horrible woman and her smile should be wiped off her face because this is not a funny matter. she is the root of the scar in her daughters heart.  

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

This topic made me angry!

I totally agree with how Enrique dealt with it on how he told his daughter, BUT his ex-wife should have told him from the very start.  She made him live a lie, telling him how dark her father is and how curly his hair is.  She knew!  She knew!  What the heck is lawyer Gloria Allred talking about?!!  Enrique should be paying child support?!!!  Maria deserves NOTHING!!  I usually agree with Ms. Allred, but this is one topic that NO WAY!!!  She is way wrong.  It is so obvious this woman hates men.....why is it that men who proven NOT to be the father are still taken to court to pay child support?  Why are there so many women in this country that trick a man into marriage by saying they are the father when they aren't?  I feel for Enrique and he should have been told from the time she found out she was pregnant that he may NOT be the father.  If she was honest from the very start, none of this would be happening right now.  Maria has destroyed the lives of the people involved.  She should be ashamed of herself!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

Feminist attitudes must stop!

First off, just to get this out of the way as a lesser concern, Gloria Allred came on this show ONLY to promote her new book.  Anyone notice how many times Dr. Phil promoted it himself?  Even the show itself describes her as a "feminist attorney".  So please, I implore all of you not to take anything she says seriously with regards to this issue.  Obviously, she sides with the mother and wouldn't give anybody with a different view the time of day. 

 

As for the more important issue, the father was made out from the beginning to be the bad person in this situation, and that is just so sad.  As a father myself, I know I'd be heartbroken to find out that I wasn't my son's father after all this time.  What Allred and the mother would make you believe, is that the father had the RESPONSIBILITY to test this child from birth to prove he wasn't the father in order to get out of paying child support.  What a crock and hipocracy at its best.  Men who would do that would end up on Maury, and called a dead beat dad!  That's what I meant by the subject of this post, that feminist attitudes have to stop being accepted.  Men have rights and feelings too, and should not be told by the courts that they should financially support a child that isn't theirs.  As for the emotional aspect, maybe the mother should put herself in his shoes, and imagine that after 10 years that she wasn't her mother.  He felt hurt, betrayed, and utterly embarrased and humiliated feeling like he got dooped.  And that's exactly what did happen too, in that he got "tricked" into this, because if I ask any woman out there, they KNOW if there's a chance that more than one man could be the father.  What separates good decent women from deceiving vicious women like the woman on the show is if they tell the man from day one that he may not be the father.  If a woman doesn't tell the man, then she's a liar and should be branded as such, and pay the penalties incurred with that.  With that said, this is definately fraud, and should be pursued not to hurt the child, but for PRINCIPLE to teach women who would do this to other men that it IS wrong, and you won't always get away with it, and if caught, you face a HUGE penalty.  I believe that penalty should be comparable to men who don't pay child support.  Only seems fair, and that's what this show should have been about.  No injustice had to made to the mother, only the daughter and the man who thought himself to be the unquestioned father for 10 years.  That's the biggest injustice of them all.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

a good parent?

Personally i think that once you start a bond with a child you should keep it. he may not have been the father, but he was a father to the child. putting someone through that at that young of an age is incredibly wrong. he shouldn't have to pay child support, but he should continue to be a part of the childs life.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

Not fair to Salina

HI Dr. Phil, I feel that if the father loved Salina while raising her as his own for  9 years the paternity of this child should have been put on the back burner until the mother and father  got  together as two carings parents and  took time to explain the paternity to her in a loving way. Further more love has no price tag to it, he could have continued support but opened an account for Salina personally. The bond that was created between father and daughter started after her birth and now it was crushed.  The mistakes that grown ups make should never fall on a child, but unfortunately sometimes they do. I think he made a big mistake turning her away, and as far as the mother by not beimng truthful it has cost her daughter alot of unneccesary pain .
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:22 pm PDT

Very Sad "Adult Behavior"

The child should come first, money second.  Enrique should continue the relationship with the child.  That relationship is crucial.  As far as providing child support that should be his descetion.  The biological father should be sought out and provide.   Relationships are more important then money.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:22 pm PDT

Gloria Allred

It was definitely interesting to have Gloria Allred on the show. What I found most interesting though is for a hardcore lawyer, she didn't stand up very well against all of the other "non lawyer people." It seemed like she was basically BSing the conversation and trying to confuse the people into thinking that the point of the issue was something other than what it actually was. I know that is what lawyers do, but I think that everyone else argued their point better than she did. She also made some bad points like saying that this type of situation is rare. I think that saying that about anything is a pretty naive way of thinking, especially for a lawyer.

 

I also thought that her basically saying that she knew more about the system than the paternity fraud victim and that basically he didn't really have right to debate with her because of this wasn't a good call. Arrogance is never helpful and I found it funny that the largely female audience was more strongly behind the paternity fraud guy than the feminist lawyer.

 

Thats just my three cents

-Suzanne

 
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