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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 3:25 pm PST

anothe story

i think it is wrong for men to have to pay for children they did not conceive, i think there should be a bill passed that before a man is summoned to pay childsupport there must be a paternity test prior to judgement.  if a man is not proven to be the biological father he should have the choice to assist with monetary needs, if he wants to still have a relationship with the child it should not be forced it should be voluntary, if he wants to take the child out for some icecream fine, if he wants to take the child to an amusement park, or buy the child some clothes fine, but to beexpected to pay however much money per month tosupport a child that is technically not his is unfair,  for all we know the only reason the man stayed in the childslife for so long was because he did trust what the woman said, we do tend to be very convincing. 

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:26 pm PST

It takes two to tango Mom started this mess and 'Dad' reacted poorly

I think that this man should have been be able to stop paying child support from the moment he discovered that the child was not his but should have continued to see the kid since he was the father figure that was there since birth. One can asked how deep were his feeling for that little girl when a piece of paper is more important than the child you've raise for 13 year. The relationship should have been his first concern but seems like money was...Children don't have to pay for our mistake. Mom is as guilty in that situation. She should not try to make 'dad' look like the bad guy here... he's a victim himself. Mom chose to 'tango' but not to tell...She started this mess.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:27 pm PST

Paternity Fraud

I feel that there should be laws that protect men  from paternity fraud.  Women that know that men are not the farthers should be held accountable for their actions such as  repaying  monies spent.

 

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December 25, 2007, 3:27 pm PST

The man Enrique isnt the bad guy here? The woman is!!

Why is everyone blaming the guy, who willingly, and UNKNOWINGLY raised this little girl, payed the bills for this little and did everything for this girl. He FOUND out that the girl isn't biologically his!! I mean come on here, its easy for anyone and Dr.Phil to be the Monday Morning quarterback and say "well what you did was wrong." etc. etc.. I mean anyone can sit back, after the fact, examine the situation and say what they want.. Any person or pee brain can do that!!!

 

But for him to be there at that moment, have to deal with the truth, think and decide what to do and then have to deal with it, isnt easy. I mean sheesh its not even his kid! that he's been raising for the past number of years... I dont blame that guy for 1 second to decide to tell her the truth, she would find out at shome point anyways and if its 10 yrs later it could easily be more painful, hurtful then finding out now...

 

SO I mean Dr.Phil or whoever can say, well she was abandined, etc...Once he found out that she is not even his kid!!! I would probably do the samething.. Who wants to raise a child on their own, who isnt even of their genetic make-up!!!! I mean its not at all his own child!! How about grilling the mother for being such a useless, peice of meat! Having unprotected sex with many,. many men.. How come SHE's NOT MENTIONED ONE DAMN TIME!! NOT AT ALL!!! SO they attack the one indivudual who actually did take ccare of her! and hes not even his child!!!!!!!!!!!

 

IF ANYTHING, that child and the trash can mother, should be LITERALLY GRATEFUL that his man took care of this kid so well for so long!!!! None of the good things seem to come out but yet just the easy negative stuff which isnt fair to him!

 

Ask this ONE SIMPLE question! Where would this little girl be today IF THIS GUY wasn't in the pivture, wasn't so willing to take care of her, wasn't so willing to pay the bills for her, wasn't so willing to do whatever it took to make them happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This MAN should be applauded!! for what he did!!! Not knowing the facts of the situation either until a lter point in life..................

 

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December 25, 2007, 3:28 pm PST

My blood is boiling

First I must say that I huge fan of Dr. Phil. I never miss a show. But today this topic got me in a uproar. Maria should be aSHAMED of herself. She is a complete disgrace to women all over. I pray to God there is not other women like her in this world. She is a complete liar and she should be sued for everything that she has. I wholeheartedly sympathize with Enrique. Is Maria even a American citizen? Why should be able to take advantage of our legal system? I do not feel bad for Selina at all. Sorry to say. Yes she is a child but instead of her pointing the finger at a man who thought he was her biological father she should be cursing at her mother. Selina should be asking the question how come my mother cheated on my father? Wouldn't Selina want to find out who her real father is? Selina should be concerned with what kind of mother would lie to her for 10 years? Selina looks like she has adopted the same oblivious attitude that her mother has. Enrique I am going to pray for you and I hope that you new wife IS NOTHING LIKE YOUR EX WIFE. You hang in there. Selina you are not a 5 year old get it together and start asking the real questions. You mother is no mother at all. And you think Chris is you new stepdad. With the divorce rate in this country... that won't last long. Plus I don't know it Chris is man enough to put with a trifling, lyin, heartless cheater like your mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yea advice to Chris... get a paternity test within two years cuz u just never know.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:28 pm PST

There is a fine line between fraud and ethics

What the biological mother did was not fraudulent but definitely unethical. However, in the law of our nations, what is unethical is not necessarily illegal (sad but true). As you had continued to focus on in the show today, what matters most is the child and what happens to her. Considering that the father was unaware that his ex-wife had withheld information, he for 10 years he had assumed the role as her biological father. By telling her that he is not her biological father, does not change the role he assumed for so long. As a result, by law he is still considered her father.

 

The man who said that “Enrique should voluntarily be involved in his daughter’s life” had the right intentions but not for this particular situation. Since Enrique had been a father to Celina for so many years, telling her that he will take on the role of the father without any financial involvement is contradictory. A father naturally is financially obligated to their child.

 

We all agree that Maria withholding information was unethical and immoral. However, we don’t know her situation and sad to say, at this point (that is, 10 years down the road) it is irrelevant. What matters is the well being of the child, and who is going to be her father.

 

Every situation is unique. Bringing the biological father into this picture will complicate things for her more. It should really be between Enrique and the Maria’s new husband. If Enrique wants to re-assume the father role, he should take on the role completely (both financially and emotionally). If he is not willing to do this, he should let Maria’s new husband adopt Celina so he can take on the father role. Enrique needs to realize that he can’t have it both ways- he can’t be the father by name and let Maria’s husband pay for the obligations a father has.

 

To finalize my perspective, I want to re-emphasize that at this point in time, it is completely about Celina and her well-being. The adults have already made mistakes- hopefully now they can make the right decisions as to not complicate the situation further.

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:29 pm PST

My View

Top of the day to you, Dr. Phil.  My heart goes out to the beautiful young girl caught in the middle. However, I believe very strongly that people like this who commit paternity fraud, are no different from everyday criminals and as such, should be treated thus. I hold the man not accountable for the wrong decision he made initially, most importantly, he has decided to retrace his steps in the interest of the child whom I believe, is the real victim here. And thats all that matters.
 
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December 25, 2007, 3:31 pm PST

There is a fine line between fraud and ethics

What the biological mother did was not fraudulent but definitely unethical. However, in the law of our nations, what is unethical is not necessarily illegal (sad but true). As you had continued to focus on in the show today, what matters most is the child and what happens to her. Considering that the father was unaware that his ex-wife had withheld information, he for 10 years he had assumed the role as her biological father. By telling her that he is not her biological father, does not change the role he assumed for so long. As a result, by law he is still considered her father.

 

The man who said that “Enrique should voluntarily be involved in his daughter’s life” had the right intentions but not for this particular situation. Since Enrique had been a father to Celina for so many years, telling her that he will take on the role of the father without any financial involvement is contradictory. A father naturally is financially obligated to their child.

 

We all agree that Maria withholding information was unethical and immoral. However, we don’t know her situation and sad to say, at this point (that is, 10 years down the road) it is irrelevant. What matters is the well being of the child, and who is going to be her father.

 

Every situation is unique. Bringing the biological father into this picture will complicate things for her more. It should really be between Enrique and the Maria’s new husband. If Enrique wants to re-assume the father role, he should take on the role completely (both financially and emotionally). If he is not willing to do this, he should let Maria’s new husband adopt Celina so he can take on the father role. Enrique needs to realize that he can’t have it both ways- he can’t be the father by name and let Maria’s husband pay for the obligations a father has.

 

To finalize my perspective, I want to re-emphasize that at this point in time, it is completely about Celina and her well-being. The adults have already made mistakes- hopefully now they can make the right decisions as to not complicate the situation further.

 
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December 25, 2007, 3:31 pm PST

UNFAIR TO FATHERS

 I am a divorced mother of 4. I can't believe that the mother is not responsible for lying to her husband.  I do not believe that he should be responsible for child support. I think that if the mother wants child support she should go to the real father.  I also believe that the guy who acted as the father should have rights to see (his) daughter if she chooses.  I think that everyone came down too hard on the guy that thought he was the father for so many years.   I do collect child support and I think that alot of women out there take advantage of their ex-husbands when it comes to child support.  There are alot of good fathers out their that do not get credit for the things they do.
 

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December 25, 2007, 3:32 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

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again excuse the modern american female blame the man you will all be very lonely
Honey you are alone on that opinion.  I COMPLETELY DISAGREE!!!!!!!!!!
 
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