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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 6:36 pm PST

Poor Example of a mother

This mother lied to the father from the beginning.  Enrique reacted instead of doing the "adult" thing when he told Selena she was not his biological father.  However, he has admitted his mistakes. Maria had such a smug look on her face through the whole show.  I do not believe she understands the depth of her wrong doing and still tries to put the blame on the father by saying he did not ask about paternity.  It's quite obvious she is jealous and ticked off at his new wife's interference because now her lie has been exposed.  It seems to me that both the girls have been coached by the mother as to what to say.  I believe the girls still love and need their mother (as they should), but I hope some day, when they are grown, they will understand the depth of their mother's deception and that was what caused this in the first place. Enrique would like to include Selena in his life, after realizing his mistake, but, now that isn't going to happen.  The mother got away with a lie for 9 yrs, the father is now ostracized because of the way he handled things, even though he acknowledges his mistakes.  I saw a man torn by what he had done, taking responsibility for what he had done and the mom sitting there like a self-righteous peacock.  And, the attorney definitely had an ax to grind.  I think like another poster...DNA should be required at birth, period.  This would not happen if it were just a part of the hospital stay.  Whatever the cost of the DNA will not compare to the cost of child support and emotional bonds.  I am a woman and I think Enrique is getting a raw deal.
 
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December 25, 2007, 6:39 pm PST

IOWA BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER

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I live in Iowa. My son was born 5 years ago so may have changed since but I dont believe it has. I just wonder how many other states are like this.

takeabreak-This is 1PAPA (1FAMLY) and i'm from IOWA, too. BOONE, IOWA-THANX-1PAPA

 
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December 25, 2007, 6:40 pm PST

It takes just 2

From personal experience:

 

Mom should pay NON-BIO Dad back

 

Bio Dad should be found for monetary reasons & emotional of the child

 

Non bio dad should continue some sort of relation w/ his kid's sibling

 

DNA tests should be required before Dad's nameput on legal document - birth cert

 

It's really that simple -

 

How can anyone expect this guy who was cheated on to be double slapped on the face

and require him to pay monetary support for a child that was conceived in an affair, unless the dad agreed from the get go

 

Mom needs to take responsibility find the bio dad,apologize to her ex husband, pay him back (that would make a man do it)and start getting financial help from the real bio dad.

 

to that lady attorney - the child is important but dignity for everyone and personal responsibility needs to happen  - this guy is gettng cheated twice and the child is cheated also - why in the hell would he have to pay on going child support for  a child he did not conceive.  WOW is that lady out there, I would be scared to death knowing she fights legally for others- she's way too emotional for her own good -look at the big picture- hello

 

 

 
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December 25, 2007, 6:55 pm PST

The Law needs to be changed but a child is a child

 I was involved with 2 different men years apart from eacxh other. I was told that the youngest child was not theirs from mutal friends that knew but didn't know what to do with the info. The first time the son was about 8 and we contacted an attorney that thank God, put the child first. He made us look at what the ramifications would have on the child. The child support paying man was not about to put "his son" through that at any price. To this day he does not regret his decesion, later on, when the child was an adult, the mother had to come clean to the son during a medical emergency.

 

When this happened to me the second time I counseled my husband the same way the attorney had counseled me the first time. He also was not willing to put "his" 12 year old son though this and continued to pay child support until the child was 19.

 

The law does need to be changed but I cannot think of anyway it can be done without hurting the innocent child. I don't regret paying the child support, yes, I paid it we had joint accounts.

 
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December 25, 2007, 7:00 pm PST

Wake up if you know that you guilty

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I am  a dad whom has shed many tears , i have three daughters , and lost them to there mom 14yrs ago , my oldest was 16 when i said my last good bye now shes 30 ,, and never has spoken to me ,

i feel for the dad on the show , and wish he and the daughter dont lose each other ,

i have much to say  but its an entire show.

It's a new day. The show did not accompolish anything because the mother was not hearing it she just want her money which in other words its called greedy. All we know is what was said on the show but no one knows what has been said or done between both parties to become public. in both cases each parent is at fault to where the child is involved. It seems that no one is telling the child that she is loved and the other sibling also has feeling too. If you take one you have to take the other not meaning money its time. The mother is concerned about the money do I recall her being married to someone else; however, this is not the case she need not to rely on her ex-husband money. She need to take care of her mess and start earning her own income and take care of her children.

 
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December 25, 2007, 7:06 pm PST

it it the child that matters

     My son paid child support for 6 mos to his ex girl friend that thought her child was his.  Once the dna results came back that the sweet baby boy was not his  (carried his name because he looked like my son  so they all thought he was)  my son never even thought about asking for the money back because it was more important to have that little one with food in his tummy and clothes to wear.  My son is not selfish and I am very proud of him for that.  I never asked for the gifts back or the time that I spent with this darling little boy back.  It is more important to take care of the children.  His mother left the area and we no longer have contact with them but if we did I would be willing to help that child because he needed the help.

In the case on the show the man was the little girls father for ten years.  What a horrible and selfish thing he did to this innocent child.  I will never understand the selfishness of people.  If he whats to be angry at the mother more power to him but there is never an excuse to hurt a child or to keep monetary help from a child who needs it.
 
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December 25, 2007, 7:14 pm PST

ACCOUNTABILITY

CORRECT ME IF I'AM WRONG BUT I DID NOT HEAR ANYONE ASK OR EVEN ADDRESS THE MOTHER WHO DECIEVED THE FATHER FOR TEN YEARS , THAT IF SHE WAS SO REMORSEFUL WHY DOESN'T SHE REPAY BACK THE MONEY SHE COLLECTED FROM THE HUSBAND THESE PAST TEN YEARS, AFTER ALL THIS MONEY WAS KNOWINGLY OBTAINED THROUGH FRAUDULENT MEANS AND DECEPTIVE MEASURES.THE COURTS NEED TO DEAL WITH CASES, CASE BY CASE AND NOT MAKE BLANKET JUDGEMENTS FOR ALL. MOST CASES ARE SIMILAR IN CONCEPT, HOWEVER CAN DIFFER IN THE SLIGHTEST VARIATION WHICH IN RETURN CAN AFFECT THE HEART FOR A LIFETIME, WHICH MAKES EVERY CASE VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PARTIES ENVOLVED. TRUE LOVE FORGIVES AND HOLDS NO RECORDS OF WRONG!  IT WAS NOT THE CHIDS FAULT WHAT SO EVER AND THE FATHER I HOPE WILL RECOGNIZE THAT AND COMMIT HIS LIFE TO  RE-ESTABLISH THAT BOND THROUGH PATIENCE AND LOVE. MOM SHOULD COUNT HER BLESSINGS AND DO ALL THAT IS WITHIN HER POWER TO ENCOURAGE A WHOLESOME AND HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FATHER WHO WAS KNOWN TO BE DAD AND THE DAUGHTER. ONCE AGAIN THIS IS MATTER OF THE HEART!
 
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December 25, 2007, 7:16 pm PST

How can that woman be so smug?!

You have to be kidding me!  How in the world can anyone think it's okay for a man to be financially responsible for a child whose not his... especially since his wife had not disclosed that she had committed adultery?  She fooled him for nine years and now he's on the hook forever???  While I agree he has an emotional responsibility for the child and he made a grave error in the way he notified her of her parentage, he is not responsible for the sins of his ex-wife. 

 

That woman's smug expression and attitude on the show disgusted me.  How she could laugh and say that because she duped him for nine years, he has to pay forever (and the money is all she cares about)?

 

This just shows that all children should have paternity tests upon birth and only after the parentage has been confirmed should a man except the responsibility of being listed as the "father" of a child. 

 

BTW - I am a woman myself and would NEVER have foisted such a visicous lie on both my daughter and husband.  She is completely responsible for this whole mess and her daughter ought to be blaming her mother, not her "father".

 

 

 
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December 25, 2007, 7:22 pm PST

Relationship=Money

Why can't the "father" continue their relationship without the financial responsibility??? Does relationship equal money???
 
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December 25, 2007, 7:24 pm PST

just my opinion...

Heres how I see it..and I am a father.

I feel that what the woman has done obviously is wrong...to deny both the gentalman and his daughter the right of knowledge is simply wrong, and irresponsible...Its not her right ( the mothers) to destroy the individual lives of these two people for her own self worth...

In this case, i feel he should not have to continue paying suport. HOWEVER....

If he had entered the relationship, knowing the mother was pregnant,  and the unborn child was not his, and was involved with the mother and the child from birth, assumed the responsibilities as father, and the title of Dad, he should be held to those responsibilities, even though he is NOT the biological father.

 

I feel if I was in the same situation, I would have bonded with this child, as did the child with me...I had been there, I was called DAD, I disciplined, and assumed all the other roles this child and actually the mother, needed for some 13 yrs and I am the ONLY man the child knew as his/her dad, then I should hold to that honor, and continue to be their dad. Even though I found out later otherwise.

But again , thats just me..some men feel a certain relief when they later find out a child is not theirs....more from a financial standpoint..and not a Human standpoint...Unfortunately, Money is the root of all evil as it is said, and the actual financial gain becomes more important then the childs feelings.

 

I know there are alot of women whom are possibly ashamed of  what they may have done in their lives, and the consequences have become a child, However, please remember this.....

Your consequences are not as involved as the feelings of hurt you may put your child, or the man you involve  through, in covering up your infidelities....

This is just my opinion..and I felt it was just something that needs to be said.

Respectfully,

The un4gvn

 
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