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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 25, 2007, 9:17 pm PST

Dirty Litle Secret

I am upset about the mom keeping her dirty little secret and only used it when she though it would be convienient for her.  She has truly made a mess of this, and she should be the one trying to make things right between her daughter and her ex-husband.  She should do everything possible to make things right to everyone involved including the other child. 

 

the father needs to stand up for his rights and fight for custody and do what he can to rebuild his and his daughters relationships.      I pray that attorneys look at all the facts and not just blame the man for his mistake.  

 

Focus should be on the child, not the adults.

 

 

 
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December 25, 2007, 9:19 pm PST

Non parent paying is total crap

How in the world is it fair that a man has to pay for a child that is not his? That is total crap. When does the cheating mother have to take responsility for her actions? It seems to me that the non-father is the one paying the price (and of course, the children affected) but not the mother. This is the mother's problem. She needs to find the real dad and he needs to pay for this child.
 
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December 25, 2007, 9:24 pm PST

Are you kidding me?

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I just finished watching the show and felt that the true blame of this mess was not the father's fault but the mother's fault for having the affair. It seemed like the blame was all being geared towards the father.
Who in the world would suggest that their wife have a paternity test in the first place???
Gloria needs to retire she really made an ass out of herself, and the man who was defending the men should get his law degree.
It is very sad for the child but instead of bashing this man, and no he did not choose the right way to tell this young girl he was not her real father, but again most men don't know how to handle delicate situtations anyway...he is surely not at fault here...
You said most men don't know how to handle delicate situations. If you keep giving them excuses, as you are here, then they wont learn. Why is it that if we hurt someone physically we can go to jail, but if we hurt someone emotionally (which has longer lasting problems) we aren't held accountable.
 
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December 25, 2007, 9:25 pm PST

Question: Does one have to have a biological connection to love?

I believe that one doesn't have to be biologically connected to know love for a child not their own.

Yet I do realize that their are individuals that can't love someone else's child.

 

Perhaps this father is one such type.  Perhaps this child of God would best benefit from Maria a findingher child's real father and giving him a chance to love her, like she should be loved.

 

When one puts the ever loving dollar in front of love, that isn't love.  Understand what I mean?

 

Were he to have loved this child only when he thought she was his own and now due to a love of an adult, throw it all away...makes me sad for this child that didn't deserve the outcome of life, she is a receiving...

 

I agree with you Dr. Phil...Child first, money last.

 

Our Bible teaches us, "the sins of the parents will fall down upon the children for six generations."

 

This I feel is one of those such cases...for I too have seen clients that were abandoned by their parents of the opposite sex and never were able to quite get their act together as adults, with the opposite sex gender...

 

I don't agree with how the wife kept the parentage issue quiet: perhaps unless of course, she didn't know that her husband wasn't the father.  Perhaps it was only a one night stand...perhaps it happened after a drunken party at their house and she didn't remember the night event at all...we really weren't shown the complete picture, for Dr. Phil has too many people a needing his help and getting all the details out on each and every case, is not easy.

 

I would say, were this the case here as well...and the real father isn't easy to be produced, or doesn't have the resources to assist with child support and the betrayed father does, what would it hurt him to continue the child support?

 

Wouldn't it also send a large message to his other biological daughter that he is able to love unconditionally?  So she can stop worrying that daddy's love will one day go away from her as well?

 

When one thinks outside the box, these are the questions the come to mind...Also think about the jealousies that are being placed on the shoulders of his biological daughter and his biological daughter is also being placed dead center in the middle of the heat...between mom and step sister who used to be a  sister...

 

This situation isn't only about the child that isn't his, yet was told that she was...it is also a story about the family dynamics that he is a building between mother and daughters...

 

This is also a slap to adopted/step parents and adopted /stepchildren...for somehow it shows that one can't love another man's child. 

 

This man; due to his anger, is not able to see clearly.

I pray he wakes up before he loses the whole journey...rather he does or not, will be strictly his own choosing.

 

Love, Light and Peace

We Are All Blessed

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December 25, 2007, 9:27 pm PST

entrapment

I as a female have no respect for a female,and they know what they are doing,and the sooner the child knows he is not the dad the better,and he should sue the mother for the money already paid.
 
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December 25, 2007, 9:28 pm PST

Selenia

I watched the show this evening and although Maria did commit adultery the father was still wrong in the way he handled the situation. We can all sit here and say Maria this and that. I am not advocating she was right but that is done and we need to deal with now. Blaming Maria will not get Selenia her father or their relationship back. The new wife I feel was the mastermind behind all this because what did she hope was going to happen if the child was not his, then what? Did she think about what would become of Selenia, how she would feel or what would become of the relationship between the two of them? For the father to take Selenia to the park and let her know the way he did that he was not the father was wrong and to pick up the other child and not Selenia was also wrong. Child support would only be determined if  the father wishes to continue to be a part of Selenia's life. This man has been with her and assumed the responsibility of father for the entire life of this child and because he finds out biologically he is not the father he literally dumps her. I once had a stepdaughter who I did everything that a mother would. I combed her hair, put her to bed, soothed her when she cried, gave her baths, fed her with my daughter and anything else that needed to be done. There is nothing I would not have done for her. I say that to say this. When you deeply love a child there is nothing you will not do and she was not biologically mine. You can take it how you want it. I hope and pray that Selenia gets the best father to be the best role model for her to help her emotionally, mentally and everything else a young girl needs. Maria may have cheated but to continually blame her is not the solution to the problem.
 
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December 25, 2007, 9:29 pm PST

Paternity Fraud

I believe the mother is wrong for expecting continued child support. I believe her ex-husband was wrong in the manner in which he handled the situation. Even though he realizes the mistake he made, the damage caused to Selina is irreversible. All of the deception was on the part of the mother. She should have been the first one to say to her ex, " You don't have to pay me, just don't hurt my daughter. She loves you and that is what is important, not the money."  The mother seems to want to absolve herself of all responsibility and act as though " if the new wife would've kept her mouth shut, everything would be fine".

 

Does Selina's mom even know who her dad is? She did not mention that. He has a right to know he has a child out there. I have been in social work for many years and have come across two cases where siblings have developed intimate relationships because of the "strong connection" they felt; not realizing it was a family connection, not a love connection. The damage can be never ending when adults don't do the right thing by acting in the best interest of the child. What if bio dad isn't a dead beat and would be elated to know he has a wonderful daughter, doesn't he have the right to know? I think Selina's reluctance to be adopted by her stepdad stems from the fear of thinking if my mom fails in this marriage, I am just going to get bailed on again, which is sad because stepdad seems to be a great guy who genuinely loves her too.

 
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December 25, 2007, 9:31 pm PST

just my two cents

I have some thoughts I thought I would share on this mess:

On Selina:  She needs to resume a relationship with Enrique.  Even though she says she does not want to have a relationship with him, especially after everything that has happened and the time that has passed, she is still a child and she does not know what is best for herself.  It can be that she is lashing out.  Her mother is smug with the fact that Selina does not presently want a relationship with Enrique, but Maria needs to encourage her daughter to have a relationsip with Enrique, which will be healthier for Selina in the long run, in trust issues, future relatinships with men, etc.  Selina should not be calling Chris her dad. 

On Maria:  This woman is despicable and detestable.  She should be paying Enrique back for all the monetary support he has contributed.  Why any man would want to be with her is beyond me -- she is a liar and an adulturer.  There is no statute of limitations to the truth.  She needs to stop being so smug, and needs to encourage a healthy emotional path for her daughter Selina, which would be to re-build relationship with Enrique.

On Enrique:  Poor man.  He made a terrible decision 3 years ago in his choice of the playground truth-telling, as well as abandoning his daughter.  However, he needs to separate the emotional and financial aspects of the mess.  Stop paying support, try to get back what he can, and try as hard as possible to resume a relationship with Selina.

On Gloria Allred:  I have so much respect for this woman attorney, but in the case of False Paternity, I think she is completely wrong.  She is encouraging women to lie and get away with it.  Not a direction we want to encourage.  There should be penalties to women who commit false paternity.  Not penalties to the victims of this crime.  Go find the actual biological fathers...

On the False Paternity Advocate:  You go, Mister!  The laws seem wrong here and it is good that there is someone out ther pointing out the descrepancies.  Men should not be trapped into paternity.  Only the biological father's should be paying, and women should be punished for lying no matter how long it takes for the truth to come out.

On Maria's new husband: Even though Enrique called you a good guy, why, oh why are you with a liar and adulteress?  Run, run. run as fast as you can from Maria.  Also, he should realize that Selina is calling him Dad partially because she is lashing out at Enrique.  Allowing Selina to do that will only encourage her to be vengefull.  Allowing Selina to call him step-dad is much more appropriate.
 
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December 25, 2007, 9:33 pm PST

Keep the relationship with child- dump the support

Enrique (and all men similarly defrauded) should try and resolve their emotional issues of betrayal and continue their role as father but they should not bear the financial responsibilities for the child.  Why should he pay for someone else's conduct? Either the mother bears 100% of the financial responsibilities or she correctly names the responsible man and he can be legally required to support the child he created. It's only fair to all involved.  The child can keep a relationship with the man they had believed to be their birth father, the mother is held responsible for her actions and the man doesn't have to lose his relationship with a child he undoubtly loved, but should financially support only on a volunteer basis.  
 
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December 25, 2007, 9:33 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

I believe that the father, who was wrongfully accused, is not entitled to pay any child support.  It is up to the father whether or not he wants to continue paying.  No matter what the relationship is between the father and child the father has the right to choose.  After all he was miss informed I do agree that it is all about the child, and if the father still feels the same way about the daughter then he would have no problem paying parental support not because the court said so, but out of love.  Like the man said, "why does the father have to be obligated to pay child support in order to continue a relationship with his child?".

 
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