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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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December 28, 2007, 11:02 am PST

Laws need to change

Plain & simple, ALL mothers needs to be 100% sure when they put a man's name on a birth cert. If she puts down the wrong name she should be held accountable for fraud. After all, only she knows who she was with. If there are multiple candidates, it is her responsibility to get paternity established to avoid this very painful situation from ever happening in the first place!

 

MARIA, I hope you read this. In the show you stated that "the only victims in this have been Marcelia & Selena" (forgive me if the names are wrong) & "the person responsible for all of this is Mia" You are blaming everyone but yourself! You clearly are not remorseful and definitely do not have Selena's best interest at heart! You are a fraud and you know it! If money were not the ONLY issue, why don't YOU step up & reimburse this man for all he HAS paid to you under the false premise of being the girl's father? If you care about their lost relationship, (which I don't think you really do) you can foster a new one without requiring ANY MONEY from him!!! But, we all know you won't do that will you? You were so smug on the show, both your daughters will realize one day what you have done. Good luck to the new man in your life Maria, hopefully he is smart enough that if you get pregnant, he will not only ASK if it is his, but also get tested, because you have proven yourself a liar and a cheat!

 

You know it is funny how things work out in the end. Selena I hope you read this too! You are going to mature and realize that your own mother is the only one responsible for all of this heartache in your life. Enrique has every right to be upset, he loves you much more than your "biological" mother, as she is the one that is truly in it for the child support money!

 
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December 28, 2007, 5:40 pm PST

So Wrong

I really hate that Dr. Phil had a "Feminist Lawyer" on the show.  Labeling one's self as a feminist only paints a picture of narrow-minded insanity with unfounded anger towards men.

 

What is wrong with the Family Courts in America????  This is just more of women winning in family courts.  If you are a guy in America then you better beware because once you make a baby with a woman you no longer have any rights (you maintain the right to earn money and have it stolen each payday by a woman who cheated on you and got the rewards for doing so).  Don't even think about sex until you can afford the child support of 20% and up for a baby.  Because anytime a woman wants and for any reason she can decide to move on in order to be with someone who makes her feel sexier and you will be paying the bill and you won't be seeing the baby.  The courts don't care if a woman cheats, lies or abuses a child.  Family Courts stick with the mom, that is why you see so many mom's and stepdads killing babies.  I'd like to see the Family Courst serve up some justice once in a while.  I'd like them to follow their own statutes and be honest. 

 

Now the Woman's Movement wants men who marry to pay for babies that their wives had out of wedlock with other men besides their husbands?  What direction is the women's movement going in?  I think the message is loud and clear, "Men do not get married and do not have babies".

 

This guy was cold not staying in contact with this girl he raised for so long.  I do feel he should not have to pay for the child support though.  Whatever judge said he should should just be removed from the bench.  What a sad state of mental disorder this country has come to when so many think like this nut job lawyer featured on the show.  Notice how she changed the subject when she wasn't "winning"?  Is that in her play book "How to Fight Back and Win"?  Flake!

 

You know this disgusting excuse for a mother doesn't appear to be too bad off.  I can't believe she is asking for child support from a guy who did not conceive the child in her.  She needs to go find her lover or be responsible for it herself.  It might mean cutting back on hair and nails or some other luxury, but what she did was immoral and asking him to pay for it is just a continuation of her immorality. 

 

If she was a decent woman she would allow a relationship to develop again with her daughter between the man she douped and she would drop the lawsuit for child support.  That simple, that's how you be a lady and not a pig-faced feminists who thinks it is okay to be immoral sleep around and make others pay for your problems.

 

 
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December 28, 2007, 6:07 pm PST

Money, Money, Money

Maybe Enrique is not made of money?  I know how devestating divorce can be for a man because I have seen family and friends go through it.  Enrique lost  his daughter once in divorce and again in paternity.  I don't blame him for not wanting to pay for child support for her. This doesn't mean he wouldn't be there for her.  Perhaps he would pay for things, maybe even college if she needed, it just wouldn't go to the mother first and be used on hair, nails and other luxury items.  All of you folks who think it is just fine to pay for someone else's kid, go ahead and do that.  I am sure there is a single mom in your city that could use some help, maybe even a single dad who isn't getting child support.  Put your money where your mouth is.

 

Maria didn't look like she was suffering in poverty.  So if the way Maria sees the world is the perfect  order of things then her new husband won't mind paying the difference in child support, after all he wants to adopt the child.  So, why are they after child support if her new man clearly wants to support Salina?  No he wants to rob Enrique of his money too.  I'm sure it is a nice little chunk of free money every couple of weeks. 

 

We need laws on the books for this because we cannot trust the Family Courts to be fair.  It is not always necessary or in the best interest of the child for the woman to get all the money she can from every poor sap she can fool. 

 

I watch my sister-in-law always wanting more money from my brother.  She doesn't keep up with the kid's braces, etc.  Then she wants more money all the time.  She keeps up with her own hair and nails though.  She even wanted money for new tires on her car which she drives for work and gets paid an extra check each month for driving her own car for company business.  She wants to maintain a certain lifestyle without the father of her children, but wants to take the father's money with her. 

 

Father's get screwed in this country and now you can get screwed even if you aren't the one who did the screwing. 

 

I like the way they dealt with infidelity in midevil times.  I'd like to make laws that made cheaters and the person they cheated with bare the burden of their actions.  I think if an affair results in divorce then the offending party and co-cheater should have to pay for the attourney fees and child support and not the man or woman who is having their life destroyed by an affair.  This would make everyone think twice about disgusting animal-like behavior. I don't think a person who has an affair and leaves their husband or wife for another person should be able to be the primary custodian.  They already proved that they would destroy the children's family life in favor of their own sex life. 

 

Family Court and the Women's Movement have it all wrong and they are creating a bunch of whiners who don't take responsibility and create all kinds of problems for society, themselves and their families.

 

I think this Maria woman has Borderline Personality Disorder because she seems to be out of touch with the reality that she hurt many people here.  To be asking this man for his money and requesting that he cannot see her is ludicrous.  She is out for only herself.  I think Salina would benefit from having a relationhsip with Enrique again.  His new woman seems very level headed and his "daughter" could learn from her.

 

If I were him, I'd still want to support her financially, but not through the mom.  She is deceptive and that would make me feel that she is after the money for her own self.  She seems very selfish.

 
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December 28, 2007, 6:36 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

the mother is 100% wrong and should go after the bio-father for support. that being said i would like to address the new wife Mia. While she had all her self rightous reasons for opening pandoras box she had not a care about the child..she ripped the childs world apart and hides behind the truth.my friend was in a similar situation but as she said, i love my husband and my husband loves his children.  I will not be responsible for breaking that up. if the truth ever comes out i will be here to love and support him and his children....maybe mia should have thought about that first................

 
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December 28, 2007, 6:58 pm PST

Feminists Don't Point Fingers At Women

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I agree with you..he did not seem to question any of her comments on pointing fingers and her outrageous comments....for Gloria Allread wanting  to point the finger, she sure jumped all over the father, why didn't she say something to and about the mother who caused the problem in the first place....Dr. Phil seems to have let Allread control the show.....my hat is off to the black man who fought and won his case.   He was outstanding...... I liked him!!!!!!!!!

Allred is a feminist and that means she is out to support women getting all they want in life regardless of who it hurts or if it is fair or just to anyone.  She'll make statements you will agree with to throw you off track (i.e. "the real problem in America is..." and "the real victims are") making you stop thinking how ludicrous she really is being.  Even doctor Phil is not immune to her witchcraft. 

 

Feminists only point fingers at other women when they are largely successful and against the women's movement ( i.e, Condoliza Rice and Ann Coulter).   So, she wouldn't point fingers at Maria because according to her feminst insanity Maria should be able to have sex with whoever and make babies with whoever and not be financially responsible for it herself.  Instead, she thinks it is okay for Maria to have someone else be responsible for Maria's actions,  even someone who is not the father.  Her rationale for this is the same phrase we hear all the time to try to throw us off "in the best interest of the child".    You see Maria represents what the feminist movement is all about (free sex, making men pay, cutting men out specifically), and in all of this of course in Allreds mind Maria is blameless. 

 

Well, I don't think it is in the best interest of a child to be raised by a decietful slut who scammed a man out of money and made him believe she was the faithful wife while he played the part of dutiful father bringing down the money while she was bedding down the boyfriend.

 

Just because a woman has a child doesn't mean she has to have child support for it.  If she does need it or want it, then it should come from the father who conceive the child with the woman.  Enrique was already supportive long enough. 

 

I think Maria should be sued by Enrique for all he has paid and for emotional suffering. 

 
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December 28, 2007, 7:06 pm PST

Child Support is Expensive

Child support is very expensive.  My brother cannot afford a place like he used to have, but his wife can because of the child support.  She keeps the kids, gets a nice place to live while he pays off all their debt and lives in a one bedroom apartment paying child support.  The court doesn't even care if he can afford it. 

 

Man all you folks that say you can just leave it alone, you can't.  Do the math, that's a lot of child support money.  If you invest that amount monthly you will retire nicely.  Instead Maria is probably eating that amount in fast food or take out each month at Enrique's expense.

 

Just because a person gets child support doesn' t mean they need it or that they use it for the kids.  She has a new man, he can help her with her bills, so she will have more money now for her household,  Maria is just being greedy. 

 

She needs to go see the man she screwed 13 years ago so he can see how sexy she is now and also let him know he made a baby and  he needs to start paying for it.  This other man might have wanted to have a relationship with the daughter he created, but again Maria took that into her own hands.  I am sure the sperm donor will be shocked and sad too when he finds out.

 
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December 28, 2007, 7:56 pm PST

That woman should go to jail for fraud

There are several issues here.  First, there are much better ways to tell a child something like that.  The dad should not have abandoned her.  I think he should still have a relationship with the girl.  I'm not sure how he could do what he did.   That was BAD!!!   It seems to me that the father was hurt and lashed out at the girl.   Way wrong thing to do!   Idiot!

 

Secondly, the mother should be in jail.  She knew the whole time he wasn't the father.  Whether we like it or not, it was about the money.  The mother wanted money and didn't tell the father.  She committed fraud and should be in jail.   I couldn't believe how smug she was - I hope the courts get a copy of the tape.  

 

Finally, the dad should not have to pay child support.  If a father can go to jail for not paying child support, why can't a mother go to jail for fraud?  Maybe the kids would be better off with someone not quite so vindictive and deceitful.   I think laws need to change, fraud is fraud.   There are two separate issues here, the emotional stress of the child and the financial issue.  Why can't the child and dad have a relationship without the dad paying child support?   That is what I would like to see.   She is not his financial responsibility.  If he really loves her, he would still buy her clothes and things she wants because he loves her and wants her to be happy.  The courts shouldn't "make" him pay for anything, especially the stuff the mother uses, such as water, mortgage, etc. while using the child to get money. 

 

I get why the dad got the hammer, but I didn't feel Dr. Phil gave the mother the hammer.  (yes Dr. Phil I did see you say something to her about her starting the whole thing.)   I guess I just really wanted someone to slap that smug smile off her face.    Her daughter is deeply hurt and she has to sit there smuggly nodding her head.    At least the dad seemed to have some remorse about the situation. 

 

I feel for the kids and the father.  I disliked the mother 100%.

 
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December 28, 2007, 8:19 pm PST

12/25 Parent Trap

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Thank you for your honest message.  As adults, we don't necessarily know how to tell a 13 yr old about adult issues such as these.  I agree that honesty is the best way.  I disagreed with Enrique cutting out his visitation with Selina...and he later came to realize that was not the right thing to do.  It is often true that we don't handle things correctly when we are angry.  Enrique openly admitted he did that to get back at Maria, and now he is sorry.  There doesn't seem to be many people offering advice on forgiveness for Enrique...and very little about Maria ASKING for forgiveness for her part in all of this.  It angered me to see Gloria acting the way she was acting.  She was acting like a spoiled child.  Is that the way adults should act in front of their children?  It's OK to act like that on national TV?  She should be reprimanded by Dr. Phil!  I hope she goes back and watches herself on a video of the show and realizes how childish she acted. You seem to have a very level head on your shoulders.  Thank you for your views.
Gloria didn't have a point.  She was just stirring the poo pot.  Just watching her, she knew she didn't have a point.   I loved the black man too!!!!  (sorry don't remember your name)   He stuck to his guns and knew his issue.  Keep up the good work and sorry you got the shaft from your ex-girlfriend.    Bring him back Dr. Phil!!!
 
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December 28, 2007, 10:50 pm PST

It is not just about the money....

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Child support is very expensive.  My brother cannot afford a place like he used to have, but his wife can because of the child support.  She keeps the kids, gets a nice place to live while he pays off all their debt and lives in a one bedroom apartment paying child support.  The court doesn't even care if he can afford it. 

 

Man all you folks that say you can just leave it alone, you can't.  Do the math, that's a lot of child support money.  If you invest that amount monthly you will retire nicely.  Instead Maria is probably eating that amount in fast food or take out each month at Enrique's expense.

 

Just because a person gets child support doesn' t mean they need it or that they use it for the kids.  She has a new man, he can help her with her bills, so she will have more money now for her household,  Maria is just being greedy. 

 

She needs to go see the man she screwed 13 years ago so he can see how sexy she is now and also let him know he made a baby and  he needs to start paying for it.  This other man might have wanted to have a relationship with the daughter he created, but again Maria took that into her own hands.  I am sure the sperm donor will be shocked and sad too when he finds out.

The real victim here is the little girl.  The non-biological dad, is perhaps not her father, but is the one she has learned to look up to for 13 years.  See one does not have to be the one who planted the seed to be a dad.  I am the dad of the Redhead in the pix with me although I never planted the seed.

 

I have supported her in every which way, and she knows I have been there for her, and will continue to be there for her.  This man is no dad; he pretty much abandoned her emotionally and financially.  If he had financial issues he should have taken it up quietly with the mom.  But never cause the pain that he did to the young lady, as she did not deserve that.

 

 
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December 29, 2007, 5:26 am PST

12/25 Parent Trap

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the mother is 100% wrong and should go after the bio-father for support. that being said i would like to address the new wife Mia. While she had all her self rightous reasons for opening pandoras box she had not a care about the child..she ripped the childs world apart and hides behind the truth.my friend was in a similar situation but as she said, i love my husband and my husband loves his children.  I will not be responsible for breaking that up. if the truth ever comes out i will be here to love and support him and his children....maybe mia should have thought about that first................

Mia supports her husband and his children.  She very clearly stated that earlier when this show first aired.  Remember, it is MARIA that is 100% in the wrong here...no one else.
 
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