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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:37 pm PDT

One thing about this show!

I say embarrassed about this show because I truly can't believe that this person, Gloria, gets paid money to man bash! I am a female and I hate women that do this sort of thing - all that woman accomplished on this show was showing that she can be mouthy and talk and say nothing.  I hate women that lure men into paying for a child that they know they are not responsible for. If ever a man needs me on their side, I will be there.  Women are vicious and canniving -- I do find once in a rare while that women are the victim, but most of the time, guys are the victims and it's because the woman can cry the "woe is me" crap!  - I hope this guy gets back into a relationship of sorts with this child but I hope she understands later why he should not pay for her -- she has to see that her mother is awful and a liar!!! 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:37 pm PDT

PARENT TRAP...GET THIS!

My son was trapped into becoming a parent when he told his wife he didn't want to adopt her brother. In the state of Texas his wife could not adopt her brother unless my son agreed to adopt too. Looking at the situation my son continued to tell his wife he did not want to adopt her brother. She was trying to save her brother from a drug abusing mother and the life she grew up with. She gave my son an ultimatum...."IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL ADOPT HIM!"  What does a guy do when his wife gives him that kind of ultimatum. Only 16 days after my son adopted this boy...the wife leaves him. Her ultimate goal was to gain control of her brother and get him away from his mother...NOW that my son and his wife are divorced...she expects child support...............That is what I call a parent trap! NOT RIGHT, NOT RIGHT AT ALL....I do not believe that a a person should pay for another persons child if the other person is still Alive. My son loves this little boy but never really got a chance to be a father to him but is expected to pay child support.....NOT RIGHT AT ALL.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:38 pm PDT

If everyone here is true ethical human beings...

This is self explanatory. I even signed up for this web board just from todays show. I am so surprised at that lady's response to this. She was so one-sided and knew she was wrong, but is just one of those people who won't admit when they are wrong.

I mean, the child obviously comes first, so with that being said, the mother should have stepped up from the beginning and ackknowldged that he was being raised by the wrong father, and she knew it, or at least could not say 100% that he was the father. If there is any doubt, then she should have checked into this years ago, when the child was just born. Now, he has to deal with not knowing his real dad. This is wrong in every way on the part of the mother. I'm just surprised that anyone can side with her.

The father did step up, and paid child support from the beginning. Now its the responsibility of the real father to take over. That's it. This is some serious lack of morals and ethics on the part of the mother to do this, so as far as for all of the money the guy who wasn't the father paid, I don't know how to settle that.

The bottom line is that the mother should be punished in some way. It's not the guy's responsibility to say to his wife that he wants a paternity test when a child is born. Any guy out there knows how bad this would sound, and how much a woman would blow this up if their spouse came to them with this request. No man should ever think that their partner is cheating on them and vice versa. I would never cheat on my girl ever, no matter what, and that is just the way I am, and hope to God my girlfriend wouldn't either. Can anyone let me know if they think I am wrong with this, or if i screwed up some of the facts?
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:39 pm PDT

Cornell Smith is 100% Right On

I just saw the Paternity Fraud episode on "Dr. Phil."  I agree with Cornell Smith 100%.  While it's always important to keep the best interests of the child in mind, far too many people like Gloria Allred use "the best interests of the child" as an excuse to deflect from placing blame where it belongs in paternity fraud cases: the women/mothers who knowingly deceive their spouses and children.  The fact that Ms. Allred all but refused to lay blame at the feet of Maria, the deceiving mother in this case, while trying to berate Enrique for doing what he felt was best for himself and Selena (while indirectly trying to place the fault on his shoulders in the process), was absolutely mind-boggling.  How dare she try to dress down a man who every acknowledges (including his ex-wife) was deceived!?  Is there any wonder why feminism has such a negative connotation today?

 

My heart goes out to young Selena.  At the same time (and I'm glad Dr. Phil reiterated this point), Enrique is also a victim in all this.  As far as I'm concerned, he shouldn't have had to "wait until coming to Dr. Phil," as Ms. Allred admonished that he should have, before telling his (non-biological) daughter the truth.  As painful as it was, I believe he had every right to do what he did, and Selena had a right to know the truth: that her mother knowingly deceived both of them.

 

In addition, where is the child's REAL biological father?  And why isn't Maria going after HIM for child support?  Probably because he may not be as financially well-off as her ex-husband, Enrique, which is usually the case in paternity fraud:  Deceiving mothers almost always pen paternity on a man, be it husband, boyfriend, or one night stand, who's got money in the bank - even though he may NOT be the biological father.

 

The whole issue is very sad, but I believe Enrique did the right thing.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:39 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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There is so much wisdom in your message! Thanks for posting. We need more like your!
Mia Terrazas

AGree 100%. We can not help what is already done, but we can stop it from happening to any more children!

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:39 pm PDT

Two wrongs don't make a right.....

The only person I feel sorry for here is the child. She is the only innocent in this whole nasty situation. Both parents made terrible choices that have caused irreparable harm to an innocent child. The mother was wrong to have sex with a man not her husband, and to compound that, hide the fact from her husband about who the biological father obviously was from the beginning. But, Enrique made a terrible situation even more horrifying when he chose his response. He had a chance to be the hero by not involving the child in the whole sordid situation, by going to the mother and confonting her privately while still maintaining his loving relationship with his daughter. I say daughter because 10 years of parenting made him so. I agree that the mother made a terrible choice and started the whole mess. But why did he need to make it even worse? As far as I am concerned, after 10 years of fathering, look to the relationship with his daughter first and foremost, and deal with the mother privately. Everyone keeps focusing on the "child support" here, when in fact no one has supported this child throughout the entire last few years. Money is the least of that little girl's problems. Get your priorities straight people. Quit making decisions that you know are wrong. Actions and choices have consequences, often harming innocent people. Think before you act for crying out loud!  And when you've made bad choices, own up to them and do whatever it takes to make it right.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:39 pm PDT

What the?????

I just finished watching Dr. Phil Show re: Parent trap.  I am a single, African American female with no children.  Boy this show really made me mad.  I was on the side of the scammed father, UNTIL he attempted to remedy the situation by tellilng Selina he was not her father.  I understand his feeling of betrayl but to go after a CHILD, who is totally innocent in this situation was more than just poor judgement.  HE WAS HURT and because he didn't have the balls to hack it out with the person he was really angry with, - the wife; he dispaced his anger onto a child.  HE HAD TO KNOW THIS WOULD ADVERSLY AFFECT HER.  This is why you never do things when you're angry. You calm down first because once spoken, it cannot be unspoken.  It's true, the sins of the fathers are revisited on the sons (daughter in this case).  I felt, intentional or not, the wife should not hold the father liable.  The REAL father needs to be contacted and life should go on.  Had he not told Selina he wasn't her father, I'd say let them visit each other if they both agree.  In this case, what Selina wants should prevail.  BUT I was even MORE ANGERED by the guy who advocates for men to not pay child support.  HE wasn't married to his girlfriend.  He stated that he was the victim, however, when he decided to have sex with his girlfriend without taking PROPER PRECAUTIONS, HE KNEW HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE A FATHER, I doubt that he felt anything like a victim when he decided to have unprotected sex.  We all know, that having sex can lead to pregnancy - don't want to be bothered?  Go see a hooker.  Even with a condom, pregnancy is possible so, have sex ONLY with those you don't /won't mind being the mother of your child.  Most of these so called men arent there to raise them, the lease they can do is pay child support.  I am sick and tired of EVERYTHING BEING THE FAULT OF THE WOMAN.  How about the MAN being responsible for himself?  Don't get me wrong, Selina's mom was at fault.  She was married and she knew what she'd done.  But with that other man, GET A LIFE.  If you want to have unprotected sex with women, and not be responsible for possible pregnacy outcomes, then start saving your money for paternity tests to exonerate yourselves.  She's the one carrying the child.  You pay to find out if it's yours or not, OR if both agree, pay to get rid of it.  But ALL THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED,  HAVE TO PAY.  The way each pays may be different but you pay nonetheless.   

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:40 pm PDT

Don't you have any balls Enrique?

If you did you woulndn't sit there and let these 2 women decide your feature.  When MiMi or Mia or whatever her name is said that it wasn't your child you should have just said yes she is end of story.  But if I had a child and found out it wasn't mine after 9 years I would never let that effect my relationship with them.  Especially over money.  If that is all your worried about then you don't have a heart or soul.  JUst because your new wife doesn't care about your kids and only cares about the money doesn't mean you have to stop loving them.. Maybe you should grow some balls and tell her to stay out of your relationship with them if she doesn't like them.As a single mother it is understood you come with the children but when they come only on the weekend and as a financial resonsbility it is easier to disclaim them.  If your sinificant other would not have said anything and loved your child the way you should have been everyone would still be happy.  Who cares if her mother made a mistake 10 years ago is money really more important than i child?  To a money grubber like Mia it is probably so!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:40 pm PDT

can relate to it

My fiance of the past two years, is in the same situation that the man in today's show.  When he was 17, he slept with a 16 yr old twice, kiati, thought she was a virgin, and "clean". Wore a condom in both occurrences and then he thought he no longer had any ties to her. Well she claimed she was pregnant with his baby, and she had a miscarriage, didn't tell him, and then he married her because he was young and felt forced to. ( when i don't know why men still do that, i personally wouldn't) So, he marries her, not happy, doesn't love her, but does it to be right coming from a VERY religious family. Then, he slept with her again, and all along she was sleeping with other men. (Wearing a condom) So, then her father gets mad and makes sure the marriage didn't even occur cause it wasn't even legal, and she sent the approval papers to another address so she basically forged her parents approval. He also found out that she was sleeping with one guy for sure, and he wouldn't be surprised if any other guys were due to her reputation. So my fiance gets mad, and leaves for the army. Visiting on his leave, kiati, the "mother" of his "kid" "attacked him " sexually when he was drunk, all he remembers is pushing her off , telling her no. and her trying to take off his pants, she claimed they had sex. So she claims she raped him. ( And I personally know how he is when he's drunk, he gets drunk, passes out and that's that) So he leaves the next day and doesn't know what happened. Goes to Korea, this is the 1st of the year. Well she gets in  car wreck, and the baby gets injured the cord gets wrapped around her neck and she goes to red cross to send to him in the army that he has a child that is on the way that's injured. So he's like what the heck, talks to her and finds out they supposedly slept together. He also finds out that the due date doesn't coincide with the date they supposedly had sex together. She claimed they had sex jan. 1st, and then the doctor stated they would be due in sept 23rd, but the  doctor told her she wasn't due that day she wasn't as far along and she was due the 21st of october a whole months difference. She gives birth he tries to play nice so she won't wring him dry in amount of child support, and he's been playing daddy when he knows there is possible doubt. Any occurrence that happens she's really dramatic about and her mother has psychological disorders and kiati reflects that in her own behavior. She's always trying to pick a fit with him and especially me. She only calls for child support but she never gets it because she's now on food stamps. He'll bring up that he doubts being the father of the second child and she gets really mad and treats in a way that she was caught based on her behavior.  She recently called to complain about how she wants him to sign custody over, and he said he wants a paternity test. She was mad at first but he said you give me a paternity test and we'll go from there.  It just really sucks because she's mentally messing with them but not  only claiming he's the father if he isn't, but she says things that aren't right. She'll say you're father doesn't love you, want to see you, doesn't think he's your daddy. Just horrible things. I'm just afraid that if we don't get a paternity test than she'll really mess with them even more psychologically , and she'll force him to pay more and we're both struggling as it is, being both full time college students, we can barely pay for our schooling as it is.  If anyone has any good suggestions from either side I'd appreciate it. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:40 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I sounded like to me on the show that the father thought there might be  a chance the girl was not his, even though the mother said she never told him she would not look like him so he should have done a test AFTER she was born since he did not and the child thought he WAS her father all these years then he took the role of her father and thats all she knew! Yes the mother was wrong but he took the role of her father so how could he tell her and STOP seeing her how dare a father do that!! If he had an idea she was not his and done nothing then he should pay. someone needs to be financial responsible for this child.

anyway you look its not the girls fault! HE NEEDS TO BE A FATHER AND A DAD!,he is all she ever knew.

 
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