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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:47 pm PDT

Albright is not logical

Albrights rant logically had nothing to do with the case.  When and where the father chose to tell the child the truth is of no relevance to the issue.    The welfare of the child is important but a separate issue.  The mother should be responsible for finding the true father and make that person responsible financially. It should be that simple.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:48 pm PDT

Amen to that

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I never heard them ask the  mother  why or how she could have done this to both of them!  They both should be angry at her.  Also, the bio deadbeat!
I totally agree......................what is happening to us all..........  When did we stop caring about each other?  Doesn't people believe in what is right any more? 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:48 pm PDT

to the CURRENT wife

I have to say that I don't agree with how your husband handled this but i also understand it!!! He was put in a very bad situation by a liar!  I wish that there was something that could be done about lying woman that do this to men!!! I am a woman and I am on a man's side most of the time - women are canniving people and very little are they the actual victim - they are usually the instigator -- I feel for you and your husband and I hope you get through this but more than anything I hope that the child gets through this and realizes later that she is a product of a lying mother and that she understands what he did and why!!  I hope they get things resolved

 

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October 29, 2007, 1:48 pm PDT

Poor Enrique

I am a woman and I feel sorry for Enrique---what a horrible position he's been put in.  Whore ex/wife lies to him for 10+ yrs. and he's the bad guy?  The child in question SHOULD BE MAD AT HER MOTHER, not her father.   Dr. Phil asks her how she feels about men?  He should ask her how she feels about her lying, can't keep her pants on mother?????

 

Gloria Allred is an idiot.  Totally out of touch with reality.  She should go back to the multi-million dollar mansion and shut her big trap. 

 

And, Chris (mom's new husband/boyfriend, whatever) better get DNA tests on all their future kids..... 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:49 pm PDT

Bad Rap for Men Caught in the Parent Trap

Today's show hit a subject that is long over due. It should be discussed more on talk shows. I believe both parents (mother and father) should be held accountable for their actions when kids are born out of wedlock. Why? The woman (if she respects herself) should be upfront about her indiscretions once she suspects for finds out she is pregnant. For the man, just like society tells us to ALWAYS protect ourselves during sex and use a rubber, you should ALWAYS protect yourself by obtaining a DNA as soon as it is allowable. But the problem is fear... he might not be the father... I might be the father. Stop waiting so long and most certainly, don't make any plans with a pregnant mother until you are certain this is your child, which is after a DNA test is performed. I would not worry about offending anyone since getting your feelings hurt is NOT the worst thing that could happen. I too have become aggravated over the DNA lies. MEN, WAKE UP OR BECOME THE NEW STYLE VICTIM CAUGHT IN THE PARENT TRAP.

 

In situation where two individuals are supposedly committed monogamous marriage, the woman is to blame and there should be laws to protect the husbands and repercussions for the wives to face. It cheating on your wife is by law grounds for a divorce, so should cheating on your husband and producing an offspring from clandestine affair. To cheat on your spouse is one thing (wrong), however, to cheat in a marriage without using protection sets the bar low. I think in situations like this, the judge should grant a divorce and order no more child support from the husband.

 

Everyone including the law is caught up in how much time was spent with the child which is the reason the victimized father should continue to pay. No individual should be forced by law or anyone else to assume responsibility because it is what society says is right. Let's look at the facts... there are going to be some men who say okay I have to keep paying and do love the child. But let's get real, men have a problem being fathers as it is, so to force him to be a father to someone unrelated to him is whether anyone admits it or not looking for trouble.

 

Quick story and then I will be done. It goes like this...

 

My niece had a little boy in 1996 by a guy she said was the father. They were both teenagers (18). The young man did everything he could to be a good father to his son for the first four years of his life, but that would soon change. This young man met a woman and feel in love. The woman told him that before they got married, he would have to establish paternity of the child he had with my niece. So, one day he came to pickup the child and without my niece knowing, he and the fiance took him for a DNA which revealed he was not the father of this child. What did he do? He married the woman he feel in love with and never looked back.

 

What happened the the child? He is experiencing all kinds of behavior problems and out of control. He thinks everyone is trying to prevent him from seeing his father because he does not understand facts, which says the man does not want to be his father. At the age of 11 now, it was just 2 months ago without anyone's permission, he set out to find this man and found him. I am not going to finish this story because there is no happy ending.

 

So, just a word of advice to you and you know who you are "STOP HAVING SEX WITH SO MANY PARTNERS AND THIS NEW FOUND DISEASE THE  PARENT TRAP WILL CEASE TO EXISTS.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:49 pm PDT

Parents are born in the heart!

Hello Dr. Phil,

I believe in the case of Enrique, if he really loved this child as his own for all those years, then the fact that she was not his biological daughter should not have changed his relationship to her or his financial support.  What a real parent would do is love her all the same and support her financially all the same. He new she did not have her real dad.  Where was the connection to this daughter in his heart? He seemed to turn off the love and money like a faucet.  People take in stray puppies and care for them.  He could not take in a child that was a daughter to him for years?   We as adults are responsible for all of the children in this world.  He had the right to be angry and hold his wife accountable.  However, he should  not have the abandon this child.  How would he want a child of his to be treated in this situation? What if he had a biological child with someone and did not know it and this happened to his child.  Would he want the non-biological father to abandon his child emotionally and financially?  I would hope not.  Where was his empathy for her? It was selfish of him to obsess over the injustice infidelity.  I believe a parent is born in the heart! Some people can connect and bond with children and some people can not.  Just because you can have a child doesn't mean you are a parent in your heart.  The  same goes for people who can not have children.  They can make some of the best parents.  I think Enrique may not have been a parent in his heart

 

I do think there should be a law to punish unmarried women who commit  paternity fraud.  I think if you are married all children born to that marriage both parents are responsible for even if they were conceived during infidelity.  The children are innocent . When you are married the two become one flesh.  Therefore, that one union is responsible for all of the children. If the husband does not want to be responsible for the non-biological child then they should get a divorce. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:50 pm PDT

You go, boy!

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First off, just to get this out of the way as a lesser concern, Gloria Allred came on this show ONLY to promote her new book.  Anyone notice how many times Dr. Phil promoted it himself?  Even the show itself describes her as a "feminist attorney".  So please, I implore all of you not to take anything she says seriously with regards to this issue.  Obviously, she sides with the mother and wouldn't give anybody with a different view the time of day. 

 

As for the more important issue, the father was made out from the beginning to be the bad person in this situation, and that is just so sad.  As a father myself, I know I'd be heartbroken to find out that I wasn't my son's father after all this time.  What Allred and the mother would make you believe, is that the father had the RESPONSIBILITY to test this child from birth to prove he wasn't the father in order to get out of paying child support.  What a crock and hipocracy at its best.  Men who would do that would end up on Maury, and called a dead beat dad!  That's what I meant by the subject of this post, that feminist attitudes have to stop being accepted.  Men have rights and feelings too, and should not be told by the courts that they should financially support a child that isn't theirs.  As for the emotional aspect, maybe the mother should put herself in his shoes, and imagine that after 10 years that she wasn't her mother.  He felt hurt, betrayed, and utterly embarrased and humiliated feeling like he got dooped.  And that's exactly what did happen too, in that he got "tricked" into this, because if I ask any woman out there, they KNOW if there's a chance that more than one man could be the father.  What separates good decent women from deceiving vicious women like the woman on the show is if they tell the man from day one that he may not be the father.  If a woman doesn't tell the man, then she's a liar and should be branded as such, and pay the penalties incurred with that.  With that said, this is definately fraud, and should be pursued not to hurt the child, but for PRINCIPLE to teach women who would do this to other men that it IS wrong, and you won't always get away with it, and if caught, you face a HUGE penalty.  I believe that penalty should be comparable to men who don't pay child support.  Only seems fair, and that's what this show should have been about.  No injustice had to made to the mother, only the daughter and the man who thought himself to be the unquestioned father for 10 years.  That's the biggest injustice of them all.

I agree that the judicial system places too much emphasis on child support. Many people today disagreed with Enrique's mode of informing the girl of the fact that he is not her biological father. If you can give him credit for anything, give him credit for being honest. Something that can not be said of the mother. He was undoubtedly shocked but I think that he respected the girl enough to tell her the truth. I believe that the decision to discontinue his relationship with Selina was made out of hurt and probably to spite the mother. It may seem heartless but the mother did not give him the opportunity to choose which is a right that women have fought to reserve for themselves. Baby Mama did the wrong thing!! 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:50 pm PDT

Maria the joker

Maria - YOU are the one and only one at fault.  You created this nightmare and are responsible for the fallout. How disgusting to lead everyone on knowing that you had tricked this man into thinking this child was his. YOU failed your child and your family. Your smugness and the smirk  on your face make me sick.  Why don't you go after the biological father? The problem is you probably don't even know who he is. You made the choice to be unfaithful, which made you responsible for the consequences.  Enrique wasn't there - had no choice. And, Gloria Allred. Shame on you.  
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:50 pm PDT

Parent Trap

Does the mother even know who the father is???? At best she can only give a reasonable guess.  On the other hand how many children would be damaged if they knew a person was forced to be in their life due to a court order??? We can be upset at the way Erique told the child the truth, but most of us are nothing more than Monday moring quarterbacks.  Until we walk a mile in his shoes we will never understand the shock and hurt that the child mother has put Erique and the rest of the family through.  

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:52 pm PDT

What if dad had fought for the children in the divorce?

I would like to think that mom would have been glad to share her information if during the divorce if  Enrique had fought for custody of the children in the divorce.  I am very dissappointed at how the child was told of this horrible ordeal, how do you just walk away from those first steps, her calling him dada.  I agree, court ordered child support is not for him to pay, but this child thought of him as her "daddy" and I believe he should have stayed that for her...........Any man can be a father, but it takes somone very special to be a "daddy" and I'm afraid that he has messed this up.  I believe that if the truly regrets how he handled himself that he will still be there for this child to help ensure all her needs are met, because he was her "daddy" and he can take care of the daughter without giving the money to mommy dearest.

Would he have treated this child this way if she had been born prior to the marriage, would he a have hurt her, telling her I don't want to spend time with you because your not mine. 

 
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