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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:52 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I think it is about time the women are held responsible for their actions..  This woman should have to pay back all the child support she recieved.  It seems that these women lie and get rewarded for it.  My husband paid child support for years directly to his ex girlfriend.  All the while, she was frauding the state and recieving financial help.  The child was 10 years old before my husband was contacted and ordered to pay 10 years of back child support.  Our lawyer proved the mother frauded the state but the judge ruled against us.  The judge stated that my husband should have known.  How?  How do the men know?  When will the law start helping the victims?

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:52 pm PDT

01/29 parent trap

I am out raged at the attitude of the mother in this. She is smiling. laughing and shows no remorse at what she has done to her youngest child. She should be more concerned at letting the real father know about his daughter and trying to get the two of them together. Selina has the right to know about her real paternal family.

 

No man should have to pay child support for a child that they did not father no matter how long it takes for the man to find out the child is not his.

 

It's time women are are made accountable for playing this game. 

 

The most important thing here is to make sure the biological father is found and given a chance to have a relationship with his daughter.

 

Gloria Allred is not thinking of the child either as she is keeping a closed mind by not suggesting that the biological father be found. Giving this child a chance for a relationship with her biological father and his family should be the main interest for this child.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:52 pm PDT

Paternity Fraud

I think it so wrong that the father was lied to all those years and I do not think he should continue to pay child support and she should have a judgment against her to repay him.  He should however continue the relationship with his daughter and have visitation since it is in her best interest.  The mother should be the one to pay for her lie.  I think every person in this country should have a paternity test at birth no matter how secure the fathers may be that they are the father because as was pointed out only the Mother truly knows she is the mother and if there are other possibilities on paternity.  This would avoid the devastating consequences that were aired on the show today.

 

In fact, I think it is SO wrong the way child support laws are and the mother can get away this and with just about anything!  My husband has paid child support for 9 years.  The amount was based on his salary the year they divorced.  However, two years after the divorce circumstances changed but he lost his case when he attempted to get child support reduced even though his salary was cut in half  (his small business went bankrupt after 911). The judge told him to "get a better job".   The mother however has supported HERSELF with his child support and was not made to get a job for the past 9 years.  She let the children live in a bad part of town in low rent housing rather than work and contribute financially towards her expenses.  She smokes like a chimney and allowed both children to start smoking and even buys the cigarettes with his child support (since they were 12 years old!!)   Yes, we raised the issue with child support and received no sympathy.  The LAWS NEED TO BE CHANGED!

Women get to collect child support and even though she has a boyfriend or new husband supporting her, thus becoming financially enriched, while the husband has to pay and support HIS new household with half of what he otherwise would have.  This is just not fair.  If mothers collect child support they should be MADE to contribute the same amount as the husband.  The way the laws are so unfair and allows the custodial parent to get away with what they do, makes the husband have hard feelings as he is only human, and the children cannot help but be affected.  The very fact that the laws are so one-sided is not in the best interest of the child.  Fathers would stay involved with their children instead of abandoning them if the laws were fair and THAT should be one of the most important factors.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:52 pm PDT

Amazing Child

I have just watched the parent trap episode on Dr. Phil.  What an amazing young lady she has turned out to be, anyone else in the same situation might not have faired so well.  The emotional scars are apparant, and she should have some one in her life that can set a good example of how real honest and good people treat others.  The daughter has had poor examples of human behaviour so far.  She has a mother that has taught her to lie to everyone important in her life, and her  "not biologically related male person" has taught her to abandon everyone important in her life.  Then we show her how real adults behave by argueing about mothers lying and fathers being lied to.  Not the issue!  High priced opinionated lawyer or not, she didn't deserve the air time, and either did the man advocating for men to not have to step up to any responsibility in life!  Whether Enrique donated the sperm or not, does not emancipate him from a moral responsibility to take care of this little girl.  If anything, he should have taken this girls mother to court and fought for custody.  A real man would care for the safety and protection of an innocent child.  To take her out of harm's way, to make sure that nothing else or no one else will ever cause her harm.  Instead she ended up being used in an adult game of  "I can hurt you more"!  The other woman should be ashamed for insisting that he abandon the girl.  You bring children into this world to love and care for them, and help shape their lives into positive happy people.  Not by showing them how self centered, indifferent, greedy, and uncompassionate that human beings can be.  It was never about the money....it is about withholding love and punishing an innocent child for another adults deception.  Shame on every adult that behaves this way!! 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:53 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I feel that is a shame that a woman can claim anyone that she is with or feels that would be more responsible enough to be the father.  I don't agree that you should pay if a child is not biologically yours and let these men that is biologically not be held responsible.  The woman should be punished for ruining so many lives.  The child should know who  their real father for so many reasons especially medical reasons.  These men that is the biological father could be fathering who knows how many children and never be held responsible for their actions.  If your man or woman enough to cheat on your significant other then you are big enough to pay for it!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:53 pm PDT

i agree

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Women have the right to ask for DNA to prove who fathered the child so why can't a man request the same procedure?  No one should be expected to pay child support for a child that is not theirs.  I also think the mother should be held legally responsible if she knows the child is not her husbands/boyfriends and lies to the courts about it.  It is about time that the rights of the mother and father be equal and that we throw out this anitquated theory favoring women in divorce.  I feel sorry for the child who finds out that his father really isn't his father and that his mother has been lying to him/her.  People do not realize the damage they do to children with their selfish acts.  If we insist that the man pay child support for a child that is not his we are giving the real father a free pass on his responsibilities and telling the mother what she did was acceptable. 

My fiance is prolly going to be in the same situation as the man today, and it just sucks because women  can choose who they want to be the father of the baby.  It's just sad that women can't admit to their mistakes ,and say that they messed up and lied ,as opposed to lying to not only the father but to their child.  So, then it messes with the relationship between the mother and child and "father" and child.  It's rather sad.  I think they should have to be charged criminally and reinburst the "father" with money that he previously paid for child support. It shouldn't just be a slap on the wrist situation, it should go on their record as some sort of fraud.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:54 pm PDT

EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!

  

   We are going through the exact same thing.   We are paying support,( which have just been raised), for a child, that we dont think is my husbands.   My hubands ex-wfe and  I  used to be great friends.  Not anymore(for various reasons).   We don't have the money to get a paternity test done.  Maybe, you, DR. PHIL,  can give us some advice-QUICKLY,  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

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October 29, 2007, 1:54 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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This lady is a nut job, she lied to this poor man and now she has caused resentment between her ex husband and her daughter. When the daughter is old enough to realize the financial burden as well as the emotional strain this selfish woman caused I pray her daughter doesn't turn on her.

I wholeheartedly agree and the mother should be made to bear the financial responsibility by repaying him.  She caused the whole thing and should have to pay.

(I am a woman but fair is fair)

 

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October 29, 2007, 1:55 pm PDT

Lawyers

I bet Gloria would be singing a different song, if it was the women that got stuck paying for something that wasn't thiers. Mothers are thinking of themselves and not the child from day one. Way too bad for the childern caught up in this.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:55 pm PDT

Why is the new wife mad?

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I would be mad too if my husband had to pay support for a child that was found to be someone else's.
That's money coming out of her household...Regardless of the relationship, once you add the financial component, that's where the new wife has the right to step in and say "Hang on a minute." Why should she have to pay?
 
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