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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

Maria should be ashamed!!!

I was apalled at what I saw today on the show. How dare Maria expect Enrique to keep paying child support after knowing that her beautiful daughter was not his? Maria is the one that needs to find the REAL DAD and make him pay!! Not Enrique!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

A little common sense

I was totally disgusted with the biological mother's attitude.  In my opinion she showed no remorse for the pain that she put her daughter thru.  She had an affair and passed off another man's child to her husband.  Then to come on national television and laugh and act smug like she did nothing wrong.  She should be hanging her head in complete shame!  She should be aplogizing profusely to her ex-husband and daughter for the pain that she has caused them.  The child has issues now because the mother is a liar and cheater.  That is not the man's fault.  It is her fault.  I feel that she should have to pay back any child support her ex-husband has given her.  That the biological father should be found and forced to pay child support plus restitution to this woman's ex-husband.  Although I totally blame the mother for all of this mess I have no respect for any man willing to abandon a child he thought was his own until he found out he had to pay child support.  I think the biological father should be held accountable in this and the mother should be forced to pay her ex-husband for pain and suffering.  This mother needs to get it thru her thick head that SHE is the reason her daughter is in pain.  That SHE  brought this on her daughter and that SHE  and only she should be accountable for this mess.  I would be totally embarrassed if I were her.  She got caught in a lie and then tried to shame an innocent man on TV.    What a poor excuse for mother......
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I do not understand how the father of 10 years to this child could have the heart to do what he did. Once  you have bonded a realationship with a child for 10 years I feel at the moment he must have been heartless. At this point it should not have matter to him. However I do think the mother and mothers in this position that knowing that there is a possiblility that more than 1 man could be the father should be held responbile for  letting everyone involved know. If the mother does not and it comes out later that the biological father has no idea- I believe that the mother should have to pay the child support back with interest  and or serve time!! I After all this is fraud and taking money under false pretense!! I also think that the child has a right to know the truth but in a proper manner.

 

But the main concern in all of this is the well being for the child and you need to be  very careful how you bring the truth out so that it does not the damage the child in a way that affects her ability to trust. But as for me after being a parent to a child for 10 years of their lives I would always consider myself their parent and nothing could change the love for that child!! My heart and prayers go out to this child and any others that may be out there.

 

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Jackie

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I am so disgusted with todays events that I had to write.  I am embarrassed to be a woman and a single mother.  Of course, the child's best interest should always come first...but, Dr. Phil...give me a BREAK.  The female attorney is a complete disgrace to our gender.  I would give anything to take her on.  If she wants to fight for the children...then do it and quit using them as a guise to rake innocent men over the coals.  (fyi...I am also disgusted how that man treated his daughter).  Not only should this so called mother get a job and pay him back ALL of his money, but she should also go to jail for child abuse and neglect.  Let's call a spade a spade.  I hold mothers to a high standard.  We are the greatest gifts God gives our children.  It is our job to nurtrure and protect.  The child is the victim, but the mother is the perpetrator.  As far as that female attorney is concerned....SHAME ON YOU.  I have never written before and watch everyday.  ugh.  I am FURIOUS.  Would love to hear from you Dr. Phil!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

Ridiculous mother

After watching Dr. Phil's show today, I am outraged at the arguments raised. I do agree that the issue is of the child and Selena should have been treated differently by the only Father she has ever known. HOWEVER, the true fault lies on the mother. How dare she put responsibility on the father when she was the one who strayed. She should have been upfront with her adultery and this whole problem would have been avoided. Also, I wonder if Selena is at all upset with her Mother, who put her in this comprimising position in the first place. Selena's mother did not seem at all remourseful for what she did. She seemed money hungry and manipulating. How was Enrique supposed to react to the news that his wife had an affair and that "his" child was in fact not his? Anybody would be hurt. Also, Gloria Allred seemed very cold-hearted and insensitive to the fact that it is not at all the fault of the father. She made it seem like it was Enrique's fault. I think it is really sad when married women today cant keep thier legs closed and even if Selena's mother and father's marriage was on the rocks, she should have been honest and up front. She lied to her husband and Selena. Shame on her. And I fully support the "Dad's" of this nation who are fighting back after being lied into paying for someone else's mistakes. Kudos to you "Dads" out there.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

i agree to you

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I am in agreement that Enrique should have kept in contact with his daughter because she had nothing to do with what her mother had done.  But I do not think he should have to pay child support.  If anything he should just continue to do for her because he loves her.  For instance if its her birthday or Christmas and he wants to buy her something then fine.  But in no way should he be forced to pay child support.  What about the biological father?  What about the mother going after him and holding him responsible?  I think he has a right to know that he has a daughter that he has missed out on for 10 years.  The mother should truly be ashamed of herself.  Who does she think she is ruining the lives of 2 people?  The only thing Enrique should do now is try to repair the damage he has caused to his daughter.  And yes that is still his daughter.  Money does not make you a father.  The time, love, and dedication you put towards raising a child is what makes you a father.  She is not going to remember how much money you spent on raising her but she will remember all those times that you shared together.

Believe it or not my husband is going through the same situation. His ex wife has a now 14 year old that isn't his. He found out at 13, and on top of things she told him (the child) the truth along with introducing him to his biological father. Why a year later is she attacking my husband for money again after he stopped payment? He never once ever thought about exiting the childs life in any way shape or form. Her way at getting back at my husband is by making things worse in many ways. She is applying for post secondary education, because the divorce decree doesn't state it, she is also asking for an increase in child support. Why? That is the bad part about it. She should have been the bigger person and sat down with my husband and the child and told him together, or leave it like it was for a year. No pay for the child and everything can go on as normal. My husband was still picking him up with his real biological child, talked to him on the phone when he called, along with birthday and christmas gifts. He didn't even have to do that, but he was going to be there for him emotionally. She obviously needed the money going into a new house and a year later took it upon herself to file for back support for the year not paid. Now it is a non stop battle in court.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

You are right on

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This is self explanatory. I even signed up for this web board just from todays show. I am so surprised at that lady's response to this. She was so one-sided and knew she was wrong, but is just one of those people who won't admit when they are wrong.

I mean, the child obviously comes first, so with that being said, the mother should have stepped up from the beginning and ackknowldged that he was being raised by the wrong father, and she knew it, or at least could not say 100% that he was the father. If there is any doubt, then she should have checked into this years ago, when the child was just born. Now, he has to deal with not knowing his real dad. This is wrong in every way on the part of the mother. I'm just surprised that anyone can side with her.

The father did step up, and paid child support from the beginning. Now its the responsibility of the real father to take over. That's it. This is some serious lack of morals and ethics on the part of the mother to do this, so as far as for all of the money the guy who wasn't the father paid, I don't know how to settle that.

The bottom line is that the mother should be punished in some way. It's not the guy's responsibility to say to his wife that he wants a paternity test when a child is born. Any guy out there knows how bad this would sound, and how much a woman would blow this up if their spouse came to them with this request. No man should ever think that their partner is cheating on them and vice versa. I would never cheat on my girl ever, no matter what, and that is just the way I am, and hope to God my girlfriend wouldn't either. Can anyone let me know if they think I am wrong with this, or if i screwed up some of the facts?
I too, would like to see some punishment for this mother, who knowingly gave false information on the birth certificate.  Isn't there already a law about falsifying legal documents?  How can we be sure a mother is not truthful at the beginning?  Do paternity tests as a matter of course for all new borns????
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

Unbelievable!!!

I cannot believe that anyone wouldn't see this as fraud!  HOW COULD THIS MAN HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN THAT HIS WIFE WAS CHEATING WITHOUT HER ADMITTANCE? 

I am in full support of the fact that he should not have handled the child the way he did.  However, I see no reason he should be financially responsible for her unless he chooses to be.  The mother should be held liable for finding the biological father...the one who should be responsible!

 

 

Also let me add, there is a Father out there somewhere that has no idea he has a child.  Who is to say whether or not he wants to meet his daughter!

This woman is unbelievable!  It is people like her that make men afraid of good women!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:14 pm PDT

WHY??

Boy you sure make it difficult to be able to send a message?  Why is it necessary to register.  I only wanted to make a comment.

 

Good Grief.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:14 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I think the entire thing is rediculous. The mother should be ashamed of herself! Unfortunately its the child that ends up getting hurt the most, however i could only imagine how devistating it must have been to find out that the women you loved betray your trust, and duped you into fathering a child that was concieved during an affair. The biological father should be hunted down and made aware that he has a child. The biological father should be held financially responsible. However the man who raised the child should be held emotionally responsible for the child. Meaning he should continue to love and care for the child emotionally, but should NOT be held financially responsible.

How rediculous is this notion to begin with. Why should someone be punished for anothers descretions. If you cheat and become pregnant, you owe it to your spouse and yourself to be honest from the beginning. But more so you OWE IT TO YOUR CHILD to tell the truth! No matter how ashamed or guilty you feel, it can only get worse when the truth reaches the surface. And by then its too late!

 
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