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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

No, he shouldn' have to pay.

The only thing the guy did wrong was break his relationship with her. The girl had every right to know the truth. It really doesn't matter when she found out because it would still be shocking and devistating. Maybe worse if she found out a lot longer. You can talk to Wynonna Judd and ask her. She found out when she was in her 30s! 

 

If she's worried about the money, she should find the real father. The woman didn't try finding the real father because she was too scared to let her husband know he wasn't the father and lied to him and made him pay and was OK with it! SHE is responsible for this mess. She's the one that lied and she's the one that knew the truth. She purposely kept it from him. She's the one to blame, not the guy.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

where is the real dad???

why did'nt they mention anything about the biological father. He might want to take up were the other father left off.  
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I would be mad too if my husband had to pay support for a child that was found to be someone else's.
That's money coming out of her household...Regardless of the relationship, once you add the financial component, that's where the new wife has the right to step in and say "Hang on a minute." Why should she have to pay?

I agree that the new wife has a say.  She is married to the man.  It affects her life too.  I think that the new wife is often thrown to the side on two many issues. 

 

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October 29, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

Stunned at the law and at Albright

So I am the mom of a beautiful girl whose father quit his job thinking that meant no child support - sorry but the judge said $150 bucks anyway!   I am also fortunate enough to have remarried a man who loves my daughter and has met every imaginable need. 

 

In NO WAY does the fact that she has a loving man in her life remove her bio father's responsibility and the fact that our laws disagree with this, AND that Gloria would support a non-bio-dad being forced to continue to pay is unbelievable!

 

I don't agree with what Enrique did. in revealing the truth.. he should have stopped paying the lying mom.. kept the relationship with the child . and BOTH should have kept this quiet from the child until she was older.  AND the mom should be forced to repay him without holding his visitation hostage.

 

The true test of any parent's priorities - take the money out of the equation and see what people what responsibility people choose to take.    best interest of the kid?  or not? 

 

Dr. Phil - why did you not speak out more on the fact that these men should not have to pay for a child that is not theirs.  If we are going to fight deadbeat dads.. we have to also fight paternity fraud with equal ferver.

 

Were you intimidated by Gloria? - didn't want to offend her?  just wanted to promote her book?  This may be a first for you, doc! 

 

Disappointed in Houston!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:16 pm PDT

What a woman

Wow.  It is bad enough that a woman lets a man think he is the father of her child and develop an emotional bond with that child but then for her to insist that she is still entitled to child support from him once she gets caught?!?  Give me a break.  I am a woman and am outraged; women like her give us a bad name!  She should have been upfront from the beginning.   Now that she has been found out she is trying to play the "poor child" card.  Darn right, poor child.  Poor child that she is growing up with a mother who has such a lack of values and judgment.  She put that poor kid in this situation.  There is no way that Enrique should be held responsible for any more child support.  Go find the biological father!  He is getting out of all responsibilities for his actions!  It is bad enough Enrique was emotionally scarred by finding out he isn't the father of the child.  He shouldn't pay anymore.  I hope all states pass the law that Georgia did.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:16 pm PDT

I am glad my father did not do the same

 I Had my father tell me when I was 26 years old that I was not his biological child.  Yet my parents divorced when I was 8, he never let on.  He paid child support, had visitation, and never let on I was not his.  I lived with him from eighth grade on.  I had 4 other older siblings that were his.  I just thank god my dad was not so selfish to do that to me when I was to young to handle it!!  My life would have been so much different!  Shame on that father.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:16 pm PDT

What I wrote to Dr. Phil:

I watch the show from time to time, and I watch because Dr. Phil has a way of addressing people without being judgmental. My comment is on today's show, 10.29.07; with Gloria Allred. I guess I'm a little ticked that one national story has instantly given Gloria Allred credibility that I do not think she truly embraces in her profession. Aside from that It's incredible that our justice system would even allow your topic today to become an issue; clearly!

 

The way your guest approached his daughter and the issue of child support in these circumstances are two entirely different issues. Your guest made a monumental error that can never be undone, and that is so very unfortunate; however, that does not have a thing to do with the facts that surround the conception and life between this non-biological father and his daughter.

 

The mother in this story seems to be in la-la land, and should be dealt with legally. What she did is a crime; when in fact if she had been honest this man would have most likely walked away from her then, and now he would not have a hole like this in his life. Gloria Allred actually appears to be stupid, and her greed for television exposure is apparent to me; I only hope it is to the many other people who will see her on television in time to come. Dr. Phil maybe you can buy her out of her network shares; a thought!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:16 pm PDT

the mother should pay now

I think like the men.  I think that the child support should stop and the visits should continue.  If the mother has a problem with that then she got what she deserved!  If she protests the visits without the child support then you can see for sure that it is all about the money and she isn't thinking of her kid at all.  She gets what she deserves.  Men get screwed all the time when it comes to kids and support issues.  (NOT ALL OF THEM LADIES, RELAX)  I know there are deadbeats out there.  But those are the fathers we are talking about men who are not the father.  It's just not fair. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:16 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I think that legally the "dad" should not be held responsible, however I find it morally deplorable that he would not take the responsibility anyway. I would think that most Dad's in that situation would have every right to be furious with their wives (ex-wives) but please DONT take it out on the child. That little girl, who seems incredibly adjusted, is much more likely to have difficulities with men because of a sense of abandoment by the one person who she would have looked up to for everything, as every daughter knows. I understand how he could have felt betrayed and hurt, and what his wife did was horrible, but that should never have affected his, in all other ways except for biologically, daughter. I find it hard to imagine that a Dad could turn so instantly on his child. She may not have been his biologically, but she was most certainly his in every other way and you would think that love that they had for each other could not be taken away simply by DNA. He's right that legally he should not be held responsible, but he should have stepped up to the plate and said, even though what you did was wrong, I'm not going to punish our daughter for it. He should have thought about her and her shock and hurt over him not actually being her Dad. She was the one who was ultimately the most affected by this, yet both parents have made this about them. I find them both to be unfit parents. The mother, for having an affair and lying about it, eventually causing her daughter this pain and the "father" for being selfish enough to never look past his own hurt, but instead throwing away ten years of life with a innnocent child and choosing to forget about her.

 

The only ones who seem to be decent are the children and the step-dad. I personally was appalled by the new wife as well. I understand her saying that he should check out whether or not his daughter was his, because he had a right to now, however she seems to have encouraged this lack of relationship between the two. She accuses the mom of only wanting money, but that seems to be more her prerogative. I think that she was looking out for her own interests and wanted more money for her and her husband in their new life, therefore decided to encourage him to end the relationship. She should really take some time to sit back and think about the consequences of what they have done to this little girl.

 

It's really a sad situation and I hope that the children in this, especially the younger girl, realize that it's not their mistake. It's, unfortunantely, a situation of adult's not behaving like adult's.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:16 pm PDT

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maria makes every woman out there that is trying to get support from the biological fathers even more difficult...i am a single mother i get know support..enrique was wrong for his actions but he should not have to pay....i believe maria does not want to name the real father because he probably will not be supportive to  her financially or be in selena's life...
 
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