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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:28 pm PDT

partially agree

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Loved your last statement: PRAY FOR THIS FAMILY! Just wanted you to know that we are joining with you and are praying for restoration in this family. I look forward to the follow-up show that gives us the good report that we are praying for!
I don't totally agree that children shouldn't be told if their parent isn't paying child support.  My nieces and nephews are being supported entirely by my brother because my sister-in-laws ex-husband refuses to pay child support.  He works for cash, not an official paycheck to avoid garnishment of wages but he is still allowed to see his children during their visitation. They currently have 6 children and 3 are his.  He can't even be taken to court until his back child support reaches $5000! The oldest girl is 12 and she blamed her mom for a long time when she couldn't get new clothes all the time, etc. until my sister-in-law told her that her father hadn't paid anything for any of their kids since the divorce. Now the daughter doesn't understand why her dad wants to see her but won't pay any money to help take care of her.  I think painting him to be the picture of fatherhood is lying to her also. There is no easy solution.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:29 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I believe in order to put a fathers name on the birth certificate, there should be a DNA test required. If the father to be listed refuses the DNA, he could be held financially rsponsible in the future. If the man in the fatjer's role is not the Biological father, he should not be held to child support in the event of future breakup. All states or Federal government should initiate this to reduce false information being given by the mother.
This was my exact thought about this whole mess.  Take the DNA test at the same time all of the other blood tests are taken at birth.  It's only another couple hundred dollars on top of the other costs!!  I think it would be so worth it.  It would completely avoid messes like this.  Maybe then women would think about what they are doing!!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:29 pm PDT

Biological Father should Pay

 I am feeling sorry that the mother decieved her husband.  I realize the child is the most important, but the one who thought he was the father is not.  He should continue to care for the child financially if he wants to, but anyone who is found not guilty that has been in prison is realeased.  That woman lawyer is all wet.  It was very clear to me that the audience was against her also.  The black man made a lot more since than she did.  Honesty is a virtue and should also be taught to children.  The mother also decieved her child and should take responsibility for her action.  I would imagine the man who thought he was her father has a bond and will continue to be in her life and he probably should.  The mother, in my opinion, bares all the guilt.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:29 pm PDT

Get back on track....

This show's moral objective was not to bash men or women.  It is not about taking sides, about who was right and who was wrong....( there are two sides to every story, and then somewhere in the middle is the truth) It is time for everyone to realize the social responsibility we all have to raise a child.  It is time for people to realize that in life, for every action there is a reaction.  What you teach your child today (maybe your swearing at your spouse, flipping the bird at another driver, or drinking too much or smoking without a care),  they will learn all that you offer,  whether you are aware of reality or not, they will become the product of your teachings.  The cycle begins....

I can't fathom anyone treating a child worse then an animal, leaving it aside because they no longer can support it or care for it.  Children don't love your DNA....they just LOVE you and want to be loved.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:29 pm PDT

PLEASE.....STOP THE PAIN!

 

Monday, October 29, 2007

 

Dear Dr. Phil ~  Please encourage these couples to stop inflicting such pain on this dear child.  She told YOU exactly what she was willing to do with her father and that was to take tiny steps back toward a relationship with him.  Bless her heart for protecting herself by sharing that she could no longer and likely would never know the trust she once had in their relationship. You spend many shows encouraging women twice and three times her age to let go and move on from damaging relationships.

 

Related to the mother and father ~ the past is the past.  Certainly she was deceptive by not sharing her infidelity but he was evil and spiteful for drawing their daughter into their issues.  The mother at least continued to care for her daughter no matter who the biological father proved to be.  The only man that this little girl  ever knew as her dad chose to share age inappropriate information with her for his own reasons.  That alone caused irrepairable damage to her but in addition he proved to her that she had such little value in his life that it was no longer his responsibility to support her. He is lucky she is even willing to call him by his first name or give him the time of day. 

 

He should do one of two things:  1.  Pay any back child support he owes and remain on the birth certificate as her legal father while making baby steps back into her life.

OR 2.  Allow her mother's husband to adopt and raise her and the man she knew as her father can take his chances like anyone else at redeeming himself in her eyes and maybe becoming a cherished friend.

 

Adults often have to do things that they don't want to do.  This immature man doesn't have the right to be a parent if he can not put the child's needs before his own.

 

Respectfully,

 

LRRJOY

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:29 pm PDT

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I don't think you did a thing wrong. Like I mentioned in another post, as soon as they showed Selina I knew there was no way she was Enrique's child. And I find it hard to believe that someone in their families or circle of friends did not notice that something wasn't totally kosher. If someone had said something to Enriquie years ago a lot of hurt could have been avoided. Selina is young. This will pass and hopefully she will find it in her heart to have a relationship with Enrique if that is indeed what they both want.

You have a wise child. That old saying..."out of the mouths of babes" is so true. I am glad you listened to her. Keep your head up high and God bless you and your family.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Enrique is not an idiot, did have paternity questions in the back of his mind, but let them go for the sake of his daughter?  I think Mia should have gotten out of the situation if she didn't like it, or kept her big mouth shut.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

 I feel that the mother in the show contributed to the distress of the little girl by not only continuing to lie to her and her husband but also by letting the little girl focus all theblame on the man.  She should take responsiblility by telling and appologizing to the daughter as well.  The husband should fight the monetary part but continue to visit and love the little girl.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I think this is such a sad situation for this young girl.  I feel so bad for her and "father."  I think he sould not have to pay child support but I also think that he should try and have a relationship with her.  I am glad her step father is in her life because she needs a father figure in her life.  I wish there was some kind of legal ramifications for Maria for what she did.  I think she has decieved everyone involved and she should reap the consequences.  I hope whatever happens this beautiful young girl can move on with her life and not come down on herself.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

loudest shouter not necessarily right!

The Lady In Red just shouted on and on, interrupting, talking over the other guest.  It would have been useful for someone to have stopped her and challenged her logic.  Hiding behind "it is best for the child" suggests it is fine for women to tell their richest boyfriend he is the father- the kid will get more support- whether he is the father or not. 

The notion that Enrique should continue paying child support is ludicrous. 

I would advise Selina to be grateful for the love and the financial support he gave her during her childhood.  I'd tell her that he made a big mistake in the way he told her- but that people make mistakes, especially when they are angry.  She got caught in the crossfire and was badly hurt.  That was one incident. His behavior over the years is a better window into his character, and a better clue as to whether she should reconcile with him.

Selina has an opportunity to learn the healing that can come with empathy- to put herself in his shoes, think about how hurt and angry he was to find she was not his daughter.  Perhaps his behavior- REALLY BAD behavior- is not unforgivable.  She can't look for the old relationship- that would have changed as she aged anyhow.  If he was a good Dad and he wants to create a NEW relationship... well love is rare, not something you can buy at the corner store. 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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No one should be  happy living a lie -the truth could have come out when Selina was having a medical condition that would have endangered her life and  the truth would come out then, when is there a perfect time to uncover a lie.

 

 - balls or no balls - what a strange statement....  (single mother too)

yeah...i agree on this one too.
 
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