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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:15 pm PDT

Parent Trap

How dare this woman get away with this.  I would say that she should be ashamed of herself, but she has no shame.  As far as I'm concerned, she should be prosecuted.  And Gloria Alreid, I'm so sick of her I don't  know what to do.

 

This woman is dead wrong, and she's a liar.  How could Alreid defend her.  How come the child was not asked how she feels about her mother.  It is so very obvious that the mother is brainwashing the child and taking absolutely no blame for what she has done.  To say she  started this whole thing is putting more than mildly.  She shows no remorse whatsoever for the pain that she has caused.  The child should not feel a lack of trust for the father, but for the mother.  Her mother is the one she can't trust.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:15 pm PDT

Child support or not?

I watched the show on Monday October 29th. The thing that gets me is two things. Like Dr. Phil said ..there is two sides to every story. I would of liked to see Dr. Phil ask the mother, "If you did not recieve child support for the child that is not bialogically his, would you still let him be a dad to her?" I recieve child support for my children and truthfully i believe the standards of child support are high. Not only is it before tax child support but a percentage of medical, dental, extra curricular activities and so on. Some men pay two thirds instead of half of these due to their income being higher. Now if that mother goes to marry, it is not taken in consideration that her family income is higher. So in a sense i can see how he may want a family of his own and tthe money could help his family. Not paying this may make him feel like his ex-wife didn't "win" if you may on her lie. On the other hand i feel there is probably a bond there and the "dad" would love to be a part of her life and the mother she do this for her daughters sake and go and find the real father as well because she owes it to her daughter to know ALL the truth. I don't understand why this is so complicated unless the ex-wife is money hungry and won't let him see her without the payment.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:15 pm PDT

unbelievable!

Unbelievable on the side of both parents.  The daughter seems more mature than either parent.  The mother should have taken the time with the accused father to discuss how the daughter would be told.  My ex-husband was in the role of acting as the father of my son who was not his.(He did actually know) My son did not know.  When we were in the process of divorce my ex started screaming at me that he wasn't the father. I sat down with a counselor and explained this to my 6-year-old song that he wasn't losing a father that he was lucky enough to have 2 even though he didn't know the other one. Everyone handled that way pretty well.  His biological father does now have a relationship with him as does his stepfather most of the time.  When I went for child support I went after the biological father and he was paying it even before he knew him, and the court did order that. Neither man has visitation rights through the court, I allow it because I think it is to the benefit of my son who is now almost 13.  If another man decides to adopt the child then they also incur the financial responsibility. The California law referred to on the show today if put in front of a judge should be from the time the father finds out either through paternity test or written notice from the mother.  She should not get anything because she lied to the man especially if she is trying to terminate rights. Termination of rights usually me financial rights as well unless it is in the best interest of the child (abuse etc.)  This is my  opinion -- which I am far from an expert -- but I have lived a similar situation.  THINK ABOUT THE BEST FOR THE CHILD IS THE BOTTOM LINE!
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:15 pm PDT

Its a privelege to raise a child

Why does it matter whose biological Selena is?  It is a privelege to be able to raise a child (ANY child), not a right, not a prison sentence.  The worst thing that has happened to Enrique is that he helped to care for, nurture, and provide for a child. Is that so bad??? 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:15 pm PDT

THE CHILDREN 1ST

Quote From: lily4u

This show's moral objective was not to bash men or women.  It is not about taking sides, about who was right and who was wrong....( there are two sides to every story, and then somewhere in the middle is the truth) It is time for everyone to realize the social responsibility we all have to raise a child.  It is time for people to realize that in life, for every action there is a reaction.  What you teach your child today (maybe your swearing at your spouse, flipping the bird at another driver, or drinking too much or smoking without a care),  they will learn all that you offer,  whether you are aware of reality or not, they will become the product of your teachings.  The cycle begins....

I can't fathom anyone treating a child worse then an animal, leaving it aside because they no longer can support it or care for it.  Children don't love your DNA....they just LOVE you and want to be loved.

 

YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

Resolution for "Parent Trap"

 It should become a mandatory law that all Fathers listed on the birth certificate be DNA tested to verify the fact.  A Mother who cannot name the Father at birth should not be allowed to test multiple people just to seek child support after the child is born.   The current system promotes random parenting and reckless sex.  A Father should have DNA proof for piece of mind, going into parenting. 

My two cents.
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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

Sympathy for Selina

No words could ever explain the amount of sympathy I have for Selina after watching todays show. She has been hurt emotionally by both her mother and Enrique.  I was appalled at the way Gloria Allred attacked Enrique about how he handled telling Selina.  Her anger should have been directed at the mother for deceiving both Enrique and Selina.  She has destroyed many lives with her lies, and through the entire show the mother smiled, laughed, and to me never showed any remorse for the infidelity or the problems it has caused.  Another person also hurt by this is Selina's biological father.  Has the mother informed him he has a beautiful daughter, and given the opportunity to be a part of her life?  How can an adoption by the step-father be possible without permission by the true biological father? I also believe that Enriquie should not have to pay child support, but should be able to have a relationship with Selina if she choses. I think the mother should get on her knees and beg for forgiveness from not only God, but from everyone that she has hurt,  scarred emotionally and physiolocally by what she has done!!  Men from now on should always remember this saying "Moma's baby, daddy's maybe"

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

Nip it in the bud

I think there should be a DNA test given at birth to verify parentage.

It is already being done to prove lineage before you can register animals - why not make it a routine test given at birth? Or if that proves to be too expensive, then make it mandatory in divorce cases before child support is awarded. Would that not solve the issue completely?

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I thought the mother sat there acting just a little to smug for me. It was only when the thought of the biological father was brought up at the very end, it kind of shook her up a little bit. Where is the biological father? Does she even know?

 

If she would have given up the money in the beginning, and said nothing "Now you all know how parent's who are divorcing and talking about each other at home", I think the father would have kept in contact with this child, and not have abandoned her. This child is only listening to her mother's side. I did not once here the child say, "Who's my daddy?"

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

WOW You Should Re-Think...

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If you had raised a child for 9 years, loved him/her, cared for him/her, would it really matter to you after 9 years if they were biologically yours? I am totally putting aside Maria's behavior which really doesn't matter in my eyes. This guy shouldn't give a crap. He shouldn't have even gotten a test!! For all intents and purposes, Selina was/is his daughter. And if you love and care for her emotionally, you should WANT to do so financially. You should want to make sure she has what she needs. After that long, the issue is moot. He's a real SOB. He calls the older one his daughter, but not Selina. It's not just a matter of the money, he doesn't even want to be a part of this litle girl's life, even if he doesn't have to pay. What a total and utter jerk!! If he ever cared about his daughter, he would never be able to turn his back on her. And what, are they supposed to track down the biological dad after 9 years and say, oh you have a kid, and oh you owe a whole bunch of money. That is absurd. Maria might be a liar, but Enrique has absolutely no integrity. He aught to be ashamed of himself!!!

It appears that, while you seem to care a lot for children, you are forgetting that the MOTHER lied from the beginning and continued this lie for nine (9) years! Her actions caused the family to be in this state of flux today - not Enrique's! Had the mother had any since of truth, justice or fair play, perhaps this family would not be in this mess!

 

And, yes, she should be made to name the biological father as opposed to trying to make Enrique pay! While I DO NOT condone the manner in which Enrique acted towards the child in telling her about the situation,  I can personally understand the anger and hurt that comes along with not knowing your child's true heritage. Can you?

 

Again, the mother is fully to blame and should do all she can to make ammends with the kids and Enrique...

 
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