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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

I see its not just us

When I saw the topic of todays show I was so happy.  My husband and I are going though the same thing right now.  My husband is paying child support for two kids and one of them is not his.  His child's mother has went into court may times and told the judge "no this is not his child, but I still want the money."  The Attorney General says that they want whats best for the child and they do not pick sides.  That is not the truth. When we walked in court the representative for the Attorney General went up to his child's mother and told her she had nothing to worry about it was to late for him to do anything.  I feel not only are we being robbed, but our kids are being robbed also because the court is taking money from them that should go for them.  What about the welfare of my kids that are my husbands?  Not only do you have to fight the child's mother, you have to fight the court, and the Attorney General.  This is a crime within itself. You also have to keep in mind if you are a victim of this crime you have to pay a lot of money to fight this battle.  I thank Dr. Phil for bring this to light and showing that there is another side of child support that is not right and should be looked into.  Why isn't there a law that go after women who do this?  There also needs to be a law that let the men of this injustice be able to be a father figure but not have to pay for the child and sue the real father for the money that they have already paid.  I feel taking the money out of the situation  and letting the men that is proven not  the father to still be in the child's life would be in the best interest of the child. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Wow, given the number of dads out there that run out on the moms and kids, I am amazed at the hate going on.  No one listened as the mom said she was wrong?  No one listened as she said she did not know at the time, but because she knew she had an affair she should disclose this because there might be a possibility?  Given me a break!  We were not in there shoes, so why do we get to judge?  The real person that was hurt by this is the child.  Not the man, not the woman, they are adults they have the ability to fix or find someone to fix the situation.  As for the other gentlemen, all he needed to do was ask for proof.  Most states make the father pay only if he is the father.  Some states may make you pay up front, but if you think you may not be the dad, what the heck, pay it.  You cannot tell me it is not worth the investment.  Then again, they did not take the time to invest in a condom, problem solved.

DId you even watch the show, Enrique and Maria were married, the child he raised is not his biologically'

the mother had 10 tens to deal with this, he says he regrets the way he re-acted to the news but make no mistake he  too was a victim, the only one 100% responsible for this situation is her,

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT

Get real

Women who entrap men should not only be ashamed but should do jail time.  Plenty of men do.  I've paid child support all my life.  2 sets of my boys were taken from me by women, court assigned lawyers (to her)and courts.  I once went to court to raise my child support and the judge asked me what I really was doing in his court.  He wouldn't believe me.  Never have I had the pleasure of a judge that really cared about a child but was just interested in moving me in and out as quickly as possible - all in the best interest of the child.  I don't buy it.  Too oftern too many hide behind the term "in the best interest of hte child".  The likes of Gloria Allred are not interested in the child.  They're clearly interested in the money and, in some cases, demonizining all fathers.

 

Until the courts and all else who hold mothers unconditionally sacred, wake up and deal with accountability on all sides, not just the money making (father) side, the best interest of children will never be served.  It's just too convenient to assign blame to the side that the majority of the time has had his childern legally stolen  from him.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

You've Got to Be Kiddinig Me!!!!

Any mother who knowingly enters a man into such an important thing as fatherhood without telling him that there is even a snowballs chance in hell that it could be someone else's child should be mortified!!!!! In my opinion I think that the mother should re-pay all of the money that he has paid plus all the legal fees he has had to pay and pay for counseling for the daughter and the man so that they can get theeir relationship back in order. He shouldn't have to pay but obviously the mother chose that man for a reason to be her dad so apparently he did something right and the relationship should continue. Any other women out there that are doing this should be charged with fraud. Just like writing fraudulant checks, you know there not good just like you new the name of the father on the birth certificate was wrong but you didn't anyway for personal gain. I feel terrible for these men that have to go through this.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I am appaulled at the mothers action on the show today.  She did not take any responsiabilty of what happened with her daughter. Both the father and the daughter were victims for the mother not being truthful years ago.  The father obviously today showed that he did make a mistake by telling his daughter that he was not her father and discontinued visitation, but atleast he admitted his mistake.  I did not hear any regrets from the mother.  She should have to collect childsupport from the biological father.  It is unfornate that the child has to pay for the mothers irresponsialtiy of having sex with another man other that her husband.  She should be punished legally for her actions. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

sick and tired!!

As a mother of legitimate children from my ex-husband I am so sick and tired of these sorry women

who just have child after child by this man and that man and naming random men as the father's!

It is so sad that mother's of legitimate children who can't get child support from their bio-dad's

because they have better lawyers or because they work under the table and don't pay taxes...

women like me are forced to take care of our children the best that we can ...working multiple jobs

and sacrificing so much to give them what they need.... I agree 100% with these men and I believe

that they are victim's of lazy sorry women who make a living doing this to the "good guys" and

it just irritates me to no end. This is exactly why men are so scared to commit to women that already

have children and won't give decent women a chance...they hear about all these slackers that are

laying on their backs and banking !! It is truly sad !  To all the decent men out their that have been deceived.... Their really are good girls out there...don't give up !!! Just protect yourself!!

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

not a good thing

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I think every child at birth should be DNA tested and the results sealed until the couple divorce or choose to know the results. It is very unfair for men to pay child support to children that aren't theirs. I believe that if the man has been a father figure for a few years and then finds out he isn't the biological father he should be able to stay in the childs life and active but the mother should get the child support from the biological father. It should then be between the courts and mother to allow the real father in the childs life, depending on what kind of person he is.( I mean you don't want a rapest, murderer, or child molester in your childs life.)  I agree that adult things should be kept between the adults and not be brought to the childs attention until they are old enough to understand.
Why is the daughter so angry at the father instead of the mother? The mother should have been the one to honestly tell the daughter as soon as the daughter was old enough to understand.  And Gloria is always so self righteous no matter the subject.  She will never admit that she is wrong and her opinion is the only one that counts.  i know of many men that have been in the same situation and have even been made to pay long after paternity was proven them not to be the father.  Something is majorly wrong with this system.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

A bad decision

 I think Enrique's new wife should have minded her business.   He had raised his daughter from an infant and for all intent & purpose....she was his.    His daughter is the one hurt the most by the disclosure...  Enrique made a horrible mistake by the way he handled the situation.   He should have continued to reassure his daughter that his feelings had not changed for her and that he would always love her, no matter what.   I want to just strangle him...and his new wife.    Yes, the ex wife made a mistake by keeping this from him.....but the bottom line here is....who are the adults...and maybe they should start acting the part.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

According to Gloria...

Did anyone notice that Gloria turned it around right there at the end when she could not answer what the other gentleman said.  She turned it around to the "real crime being fathers who do not pay court ordered child support." This was not even the issue at hand nor did it have anything to do with the issue.  The issue is the fact that this mother deliberately lied in order to get money from her ex husband.  Now I do not agree that he should have cut off visitation with the daughter but he also should not be forced to pay child support for a child that isn't his.  Good Lord, with that sort of logic, I should have put Bill Gates down on my daughter's birth certificate. Hmmm. Maybe I'm on to something.
 

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October 29, 2007, 3:17 pm PDT

Laws should be changed

In the United States, we legislate how people should deal with these type of situations after they occur, but we are not proactive.  If mandatory DNA testing was required, these situations would not occur.  When I was growing up, I heard the quote mommy's baby - daddy's maybe.  This should not be the case.  How easy would it be to solve this issue within moments or months after a child is born.  Any man today who does not take this into his own hands and sacrifice the money for testing is a fool.  The child support system for some has become the new welfare fraud.  It is not fair or morally right for the child to suffer either way, but it is also not right to deny a child the ability to know his/her real family.  If mandatory DNA testing occurred at birth, signing your name on a birth certificate would be a voluntary decision.  Not like in this case a fraudulent one.  Additonally, it would provide a real means to identify the parties truly responsible.  Fraud is fraud.  One man has been lied to and is paying for at a minimum 18 years of resources which could support his family, and there is another man and family out there who's child has been stolen; because he possibly was never told that he had a child.  Everyone needs to realize not all men want to avoid their responsibility.  In this case, the mother did what was convenient for her (period).

 
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