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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

" no one likes a snitch"

 If his new wife would'nt have opened her mouth this could have all been avoided. She had to drop a seed and let it grow, without ever thinking how this could affect this poor child. She is just as much to blame as the parents.If a man ever has any doubt, no matter the situation, about whether or not a child is his he should perform a paternity test the moment the child is born. Adults have gotten to the point where all they think about is themselves sometimes and completely disregard how anything they do may affect a child. THEIRS OR NOT! 

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

father is wrong

ultimately the Enrique committed the worst crime, the child is damaged beyond repair.  That was by far the worst crime committed between the two.  Still that doesn't excuse the mother by any means, she should be accountable.   Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about what the mother did, and what happened happened.  I don't think the Enrique should be held accountable financially by any means, he should not have to pay for the affair she committed, and the mother is not allowed to hold the Enrique accountable for anything, financially or emotionally. It is not her place to demand anything of him.  However he should still be there for her.  I think both parents should have been honest as soon as it was recognized, but the father should have remained in her life and reassured the girl that she is loved and he voluntarily wants to remain her father.  I do understand that Enrique was very effected by this, but all of the finger pointing and name calling should remain completely hidden to the girl.  If bickering over who is right and wrong and who is "supposed" to love who, the girl will feel responsible and will grow hatred for one of the parents and herself.  But this stage has already passed, at this point I think Enrique should re-enter the girls life, in a small way, just go to her games or plays, be there for important steps in her life, visit the other sister and her, tell her that he still loves her, and what happened was not about her, and sincerely apologize one-on one about his absence, and his awful treatment.  As for the mother, if this has not already happened, she should one-on-one tell the girl that this was her fault, and what she did was wrong and unforgivable, and she too should apologize for the pain that she caused.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

Parent Trap

 What a sad story. And of course like usual, the child is the one who loses. This mother was horrible on the show. Everytime she smiled I wanted to shake her. Seems she just didn't get it. One question I have is. Did I hear her current husband wanted to adopt Selina? If that is what I heard, wouldn't they have to get ahold of  Selina's biological father before this could happen? There could be a man out there that wants this girl to be a part of his life. I didn't get to see all of the show, so if I missed some of these points I'm sorry. I hope the outcome will be as such that the girl knows she has a father that really truely loves her, that is all she wants or cares about in the long run.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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 isn't the bigger picture not about mia but about everyone owning up to their actions? i believe this to be the important issue.
I don't think we should still be focusing on the parents or "so called parents" anymore.  Can we start focusing our attention on Selena?  What has happened unfortunately has happened.  Whether they own up to their selfish mistakes, which I don't think either will do that honestly, shouldn't be the issue.  This little girl needs our help.  It seems to me she has a better head on her shoulders then any of them do.  The mother keeps pointing her finger at the father, and so the father is pointing the finger at the mother.  Will the childish behavior ever stop??!!  What's done is done,  now it's time to help this young girl heal, and help her know that not everyone is selfish, and them living their life this way,  in all reality,  they are just making their own lives a living hell, whether the mother keeps laughing or the father keeps evading his responsibility that he knows is his to take, they will pay for their mistakes.  My heart goes out to this little girl.
 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

My concern is the children

I have deep concerns for the children, but a show like today is indicative of scandalous women. I am a woman myself, so I feel disgust for her, because it gives real honest women a bad name. Anytime you are in a marriage, infidelity is destructive, hurtful, so I am sure that Enrique allowed his pain to over rule his heart. I can't blame him for being human, and making a wrong decision on how he told the daughter.

 

The new man better beware, because if it's funny to her now, then she has not learned anything from her past mistake. I also feel like there is a father out there that would be honored to be a father to the child.

 

As for the attorney, she may be smart, but I would like to see her walk a  mile in that man's shoes. It's a job for her because some things she said was utterly ridiculous. The man has feelings too, his mistake, will never outweigh the mothers, who birth all of this in the first place.

 

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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

Sad but true

My heart goes out to the 13-year old beauty!  There's enough going on at that age without having to deal with such rejection and feelings of abandonment.  While I totally believe the mother should pursue financial support from the biological father...not to mention the fact that she NEVER HAD THE RIGHT to withhold that information from him in the first place...the father should definitely continue his involvement in her life.  But because he made a poor choice at the time, he will have to relentlessly PURSUE a relationship with her!   By the way, I think it goes without saying that the mother had no right to make all the decisions for everyone involved.  And the new wife should really stay out of it now!  She's said all that needs to be said.  Let the man be a father!!!!

 

This so stikes a chord with me since my biological father had nothing to do with me since I was about 3 years old.  I met him when I was 27 expecting to hear some profound reason WHY????  But I didn't get the answer I wanted.  Thank God I had a Dad (a real Dad is a lot more than a sperm donor) who came along, adopted me and my brother and filled our need to be loved and cared for.  However, I will say, it took YEARS for me to recover from the rejection of my biological father.  TRUST WAS A HUUUUUUUUUGE issue for me and went way into my 20's. 

 

Thankfully, I am healed now, but I can only think that this beautiful young girl will feel the hurt compounded by TWO men!  It's just not right.

 

STOP FIGHTING ABOUT THE MONEY AND START FIGHTING TO SHOW THIS GIRL THAT SHE IS LOVED....REGARDLESS!!!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

People who need to get clues

I watch Dr.Phil almost every day but today left me totally surprised and stunned at the adults in this situation. I am a 44 year old woman of two wonderful girls. First of all I feel that if you are not in a relationship with someone and they call you and tell you that you are the father then first thing you need to do is request a paternaty test. The lawyer lady on the show was so wrong for saying someone who is not the bio father should pay for  a child that isn't his even 10 or 20 years later. The mother is the one who cheated and lied and kept this from the man. I feel that this woman should be made to re pay this man for all the years he paid money for a child that wasnt his. I don't agree with how the man handled the whole thing when he found out.  I totally agree with dr.phil its not about the parents and what they want its about how the child feels when they find out the parents can work things out in court or out of court. Dr. Phil said it best it was the mother who started the whole thing and The ex husband should only be sorry for what he did to the daughter when he found out. That was totally immature. Noone should have to pay for someone else's child unless they want to if they are not the bio parent. That is just totally crazy and shouldn't be in any law in any state and if it is then it should be fought to get taken out of the courts. This whole show could have been used with common sense..The only problem with most parents in this world now days is the Dollar sign. Noone thinks of how things affect these children that we are suppose to have because we want to have child and love and nuture them or we shouldn't have them. Thats why there is so many messed up young people today. And even child of yester years..I got divorced three years ago and even though my marriage didn't work out I did everything I could in my power to make sure they had a fair future with both myself and their father. He pays limited child support and he even still complains about that. He got off Lucky I did not take this man to the cleaners nor should anyone else..Wake up...Its not about MONEY it's about Your child and their feelings..I am barely surviving but I work for a living to give my daughters what they need and I love them unconditionally and put their feelings first everyday of my life. I don't need someone else's money to do what I wanted to do and that was to have children because I wanted to be a loving mother. Don't depend on others to pay for your child whether it be that you are married and divorce or that your are in and out of relationships with children.

Really stunned about this show in Delaware

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

Children

The most important thing all of these people should be concerned about is Selina's well-being and happiness. I cannot imagine the feelings of hurt and betrayal Enrique must have felt when he found out that beautiful little girl was not his own. I also cannot imagine how an adult could look his daughter, (as far as she was concerned)  and tell her that he wouldn't be her father anymore. 

 

It's one thing for adults to hurt, and wrong each other. When children are involved, children come first. Enrique has a valid point about the financial responsibility. However, as a human being he also had a responsibility to a young human being that he co-parented for however many years. That responsibility should take priority!

 

I am a stepmother of three beautiful, healthy girls. I am in love with their father, and have nothing but the utmost respect for their mother. The most important thing to their mother, father, and myself is the happiness and well-being of the children. I am so grateful to be in a situation where these children can thrive, and grow without having to suffer stress and heartache because of selfish adults that would rather act like children themselves.

 

My question for Enrique, his significant other, and Maria is: "What have you gained?" or "What will you gain?" Obviously I am unaware of the financial situation of either party. What is apparent to me is that the "right" and "wrong" of the situation is taking priority over the feelings and emotional well being of Selina.

 

I hope that these people can come to amiable terms with their situation for Selina's sake. She is truly a lovely young person inside and out, with a wisdom and maturity far beyond her young years.

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

We know how the child feels about her father, anybody else curious to know how she feels about her mother?

 
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October 29, 2007, 3:20 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

it is absoultly disgusting to think that this man has to pay for a child that is not his. She is NOT his! that should be it. if the mother needs child support then she needs to find the man that fathered her child. the answer by the court should have been completely the opposite. it clearly screams that justice is not always served.  this woman disgusts me. how did she not know? have no idea? as a woman, i am certain that she is lying. this poor man is now probally suffering emotionally and financially. it is my suggestion that he look into suing this fraudulant poor excuse for a family woman.

as for the child, taking her into the park is just fine. its how he dealt with it afterwards. that was wrong. but that wasnt the worse mistake made here. he was angry im sure and who exactly knows how to do deal with this sort of thing. the human brain doesnt have a mechanism to turn on when this happens. i feel that ppl are pointing the finger more strongly at the wrong person.  this childs anger is misdirected. granted her false father should take a portion of the guilt, her mother should be taking the grand prize.  the real problem here is this woman. perhaps her parenting skills need to be observed.

 
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