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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 7:47 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Imagine the other side of the coin?  The man raises the child as his own, making that child part of his world.  Suppose the wife suspected the child was not her husband's but did not tell him.  Shameful, right?  In a divorce should the wife be able to produce DNA evidence and exclude the man from the life of the child?  Colorado's laws on this protect both parties and the child.
Let's just use simple common sense. If the child is not the father's and he was not a legal adopter of the child, in other words, he's been deceived, he should never be financially responsible! It's a double insult! If the father chooses to continue the relationship with a child that is not his, which I believe is the right thing to do, he should only pay for the child when the child is with him. It really is that simple. The perpetrator of the deception should be held accountable in every way.
 
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October 29, 2007, 7:48 am PDT

Biological Father Pays, Emotional Father Stays

I believe that this father divorced his daughter because of the mother being unfathful.  Where is the DNA.  The Step-Father cannot adopt without permission of the permission of the biological father?  The father was so WRONG to disown his youngest child.  I under the fear of having to pay by our legal system but the child comes first.  Doesn't the mother NOW have to identify the biological father?

 

I believe that the Biological parent pays and the Emotional father stays (emotionally continues to support the child). 

 

Everything is not about money!

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:48 am PDT

The child is the victim !

My opinion is that Enrique should not have to pay for the support of Selina.  However, in his love for her, I would hope that he would continue to help her with what she might need.  The biological father should be forced to repay any support paid, and the mother should be charged with fraud or extortion.

 

In trying to cover up her affair and pregnancy, Maria looked at saving herself first.  She should have thought that one day her daughter might need a transplant, or true medical history, that would require knowing the biological father's medical history.  She CHOSE to hide this from everyone.

 

Enrique and his new wife need to think of Selina first.  She should not feel alienated from the only father she's known.  How awful that these adults can't like adults.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 7:53 am PDT

I think!!

I think the man who is not the bio.father should not have to pay child support but should still see the child and the mother should find the bio.father and he should start paying child support but just from the time he's told that he the father(by dna) he didn't know that he was a father .and the other dad should not get his money back that he payed because he payed that money for a child the to him was his child..thats a big lost for him and the child ...money just makes things worst..if there's no chance to get that money back then they can foces on the inportant thing..the child and the fathers lost and how to work out a relationship thats good for them both..because it naive to think feelings between them wouldn't change for them both and the bio.father and the child have a right to a relationship and if he has to worry about comming up with this big sum of money then the joy of the new child is lost..

and as to gloria she makes it sound like women are not responsible for their action!!because some big bad man made them do it !!! I' m 48 years old and married 25 years and no man makes me do anything in the end I've made the choice no one else!!!!! and she makes women sound so helpless and weak...I think we were made that way women are strong were men are weak ,and men are strong were women are weak..so that we would marry and reproduce...if not we would have killed each other off in the first hundred years LOL..this way we need them to kill bugs and put oil in the car and let's not for get the trash...and they need us to cook ,clean...mother...wash their cloths...make sure they get up for work..make the coffee..oh this list could go on for ever !! let's just say they need us too!!!!!!!

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK !!!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:02 am PDT

Ms. Allred is getting dim

I am a mother of two beautiful daughters whose father questioned their paternity and demanded a paternity test.  Having nothing to hide, I would have freely allowed a paternity test had he pursued it, but he knew I had never cheated on him; he was just looking for a way out of paying child support and thought if he could stick me with two expensive paternity tests, I'd never pursue child support ( I know, rather idiotic.)  He found out HE would have to pay for the tests and decided against them, because the girls are his.  Anyway, I think it is morally and should be criminally wrong for a woman to force another man to pay for her indiscretions, and this comes from a mother who was FORCED to live on welfare while her ex husband hemmed and hawed and  tried to wriggle out of his responsibilities.  Forcing a man to pay for a child that is not his will only be detrimental; not only to the man but also to the child who has been LIED TO by Mom herself!  I don't need a dim-witted feminist like Gloria Allred fighting my battles for me.

 

What she fails to realize is that paternity fraud is just WRONG!  It doesn't matter if the kid needs cash, the kid needs the truth!  I don't want my child to get the wrong information when it comes to their medical background; that information is important when that child grows up and starts a family of their own.  Lying to them will only complicate matters further.  In other words Ms. Allred, it's not all about getting paid.  It's about things you obviously cannot comprehend in your quest to be the patron saint of lying mothers everywhere.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:04 am PDT

Parent Trap?

 Enrique was wronged, no question. But the fact is that he accepted responsibility without question from the very beginning.

If the money is the problem, then maybe a trust fund should be established for Selina, with a lesser amount . that way if she needs something now it will be available and she will have something for the future. If Enrique truly wants to be her father, I would think that he would want to help her now and in the future.

Maybe what this country should do is require a DNA test done on all children at birth. then there would be no uncertainty later on.

To Selina: I wish you the best. You are the victim here, you need to be strong, but do not turn away. You can never replace a father. What you had with Enrique will always be there if you open your mind and heart to it. Adults make mistakes, children pay. If there is  a chance to forgive and forget, I think you should.

 

God never gives us more than we can handle, and everyone comes into our life for a purpose, be it good or bad, it is always a learning experience.  It is what makes us who we are and it is to our advantage to learn all we can from every experience.

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:05 am PDT

UnBelievable

First, I disagree with Dr. Phil about buying Gloria's book.  Her statements on this topic lost all credibility and I have no desire to spend a penny on anything she has to write about.  I'm very disappointed that little to NO focus was placed on the mother who lied and caused her ex husband pain after all those years.  Yes, I agree that he handled his pain poorly but everyone reacts differently.  Although I kept hearing that the focus was Selina, I heard more of what a bad man the father was.  Very disappointed in this particular topic and how it was handled.

 

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October 29, 2007, 8:07 am PDT

Trash

When a women traps a men knowingly, she is nothing but trash. No matter how you look at it. She is only after a paycheck. There was no love involved in the first place. If there was love involved , she would have told him from the start. Why should a man be subjected to a child support payment when the child isn't even his. I just don't see the reasoning in him paying unless he feels he should not because a judge forces him to.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:07 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I understand the father being upset - but when are we as adult going to stop thinking about ourselves and start thinking about the well-being of our children. You do not have to have matching DNA to be a father - he raised Selina has his own for 9 years and because another woman questions the paternity does that no longer make him the father. NO. Regardless, of the DNA - he was and is her father.  Yes, what the mother did was and is wrong - and she made a terrible mistake - I believe she made the best choice as obviously the biological father would not be a good father.

 

 

The best choice would have been to tell the truth ...
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:08 am PDT

Bad Mothers

I think this show was absolutely awful today.  This lady lied to her husband this whole time about I'm being the father, if she would've e been honest from the jump then her daughter wouldn't be in the situation.  He SHOULD NOT hate pa support for her anymore and maria should have to pay every dime back.  Carnel was awesome on the show and that Gloria lady I don't see how she makes any cases,but she is a lawyer and all about money so that i probably she thinks he should still pay.  Dr Phil I think you should help this man fight this, but then if h wouldn't have paid child support the mom probably wouldn't have let him see the girl anyway.
 
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