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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 8:39 am PDT

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I have ben watching your show since it started but this is the first time I have ever became angry enough to write.The woman lied and is also a serious charater flaw with the mother. The father was unjustly accused of being a bad father. He made a mistake. The daughter is learning that there are consequences when you have a liar for a mother. I think Moms who lie about paternity should be prosecuted for fraud. It is serious what she has done. I wanted to slap her in the face. I hope and pray that the father wh she knew as dad and her can work out a relationship. Dr. Phil you let the Mom off easy and shame on you for that. You have been my mentor when I counsel women and this show was apalling. I would like to see you do a follow up show. I think the father shouldnt pay money and should visit with the daughter. It is a crime to fraudelently take money under false pretenses and if there are no laws then there should be. I think when a child is born paternity testing should be done if the marriage is over. The lawyers statistics show this is not uncommon and is a huge problem.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:40 am PDT

What a messed up system we have

Wake up America,all we need to do is have all parents tested before signing any birth certifates. Heck I got a kid in cali that i'm not allowed no info o for no reason, and i still pay over 600 a month.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:40 am PDT

I AGREE

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I totally agree with this comment.I wouldn"t buy her book for a penny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The issues raised in this show are ones that are rampant across this country, due to FRAUD now being a way to create personal gain.

 

Best Interest of the child ..........as Gloria Allred addressed is merely a facade people like her wish to hide behind. Best Interest of the child IS NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY......but that has become how it is addressed.

 

A good friend of mine Doug Richardson was ordered to pay the biological FATHER child support in a case as arrogant as the one displayed. Doug is also well known as DNADADDY.

 

His case proves Best Interest of the child is a FACADE. The child was placed with the Bio Father after police having surrounded the home as the Bio dad had threatened to kill everyone in the home. Where was any best interest protected ?

 

Doug Richardson was a paying responsible man while he was told he could have no part in the childs life except to pay for the child and let it live in harms way. The deplorable courts have condoned these actions all for the FEDERAL funding that backs child support enforcement.

 

When children dont know their bio parents and the courts think a stand in is OK............then we have an issue where the morals of this country no longer exist. If a woman chooses to have an affair then the onus is on her for the responsibility of the child .

 

Children deserve the TRUTH and understanding that a honest parent would purvey. Sexual escapades are rewarded in this country by some family courts and it should not be allowed to continue.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:41 am PDT

A Sad Plight

As I watched the show today, 10/29/07, I saw what has happened over and over again.  Women who because of chauvinism have used it to keep a man around.  You said on the show that the mother is wrong for keeping Enrique in the dark about his being the biological father was wrong.  I couldn't agree with you more.  But another wrong is what he did to Celena.  I really don't have a good answer, but I do know that he should not have told Celena "I won't have any more dealings with you."  He may not have used those word exactly, but it doesn't matter for what he told her was "I don't love and I don't  want you around."  No wonder Celena is so hurt.  Neither one of these adults thought about the child "in the middle".

We all agree the biological father should step up to the plate to pay the child support, but should Enrique pay it?  Personally, I think the mother is protecting the biological father just to pay Enrique back for not doing what she wants him to do.  Which is paying child support for Celena because he is a doctor.
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:41 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Dear Dr. Phil

 Are you kidding me??  I am a 35 year old single mother of 2 wonderful girls. I can not believe that anyone would think it was ok for a mother to keep who the father of the child is a secret and then make the " good guy" pay child support for a child that is not his. i do believe that if a man has stood up to the plate and raised that child as his own for how many years ( kudos to him) should be able to be a part of that childs life with no finical obligation. Why should a man have to pay for a child that is not his?? And where is the guy that is really the father? Why dont you serve him with some paternity papers and throw a wrench into his happy marriage? Not everyone has the kind of money that Dr. Phil has so to take 100.00 a week away from someone that is already struggling what sense would that make?? So yes sadly to say it does come down to money.. I never knew that LOVE could be bought.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:41 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I totally agree with this comment.I wouldn"t buy her book for a penny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree also! People have the RIGHT to the TRUTH and to make their decisions based off of that truth.....I would NEVER buy her book, and I think she is destorted in her thinking....Too many attorneys base their cases off of the "spin" they can put on them instead of the truth of the matter....
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:41 am PDT

WHO PAYS FOR THE LIES?

After watching the show today, I had to respond. The mother that doesn't "fess up" when she has a child by someone other than her partner, albeit husband, boyfriend, whatever is a god awful liar.  She is the one betraying the child.  GET A PATERNITY TEST.  On the other hand, a biological father that doesn't pay child support is a god awful father. GET OFF YOUR  _SS AND PAY THE MONEY.    Possible solution after divorce:  When the child support is set, the mother needs to sign a legal agreement which states that if at any time paternity on her child or children is proven to be other than the person paying, the mother receiving the support shall be responsible for returning all monies received as support.  This will either be paid voluntarily, garnisheed from wages, bank/checking accounts, income tax refunds, or change in the bottom of her purse!!!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:43 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Why not make it a law in all 50 states that a blood test be given at the time of birth to all newborns to prove parenthood as listed on the birth certificate.  If the father is unknown it would be listed as such on the b.c.  That would stop a lot of deception, maybe make people think twice before hopping into bed with someone they shouldn't.  It's sad that there is more paperwork,  more rules and test and you have to prove who you are before you apply for a drivers license than there is to become a parent.

Absolutely. I couldnt of come up with a better solution
 
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October 29, 2007, 8:43 am PDT

parent trap

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 What a sad state of affairs when a woman will intentionally lie to have a certain man as the father of her child. It is wrong to knowingly name a man as the father if he is not. I can certainly understand the anger of the men this has happened to. But by the same token, the child, that has only known this man as father, is going to suffer. The emotional impact to this child could be a life long problem, and manifest itself in ways that may come to light in later years.
the most important thing is to let the child(ren) know that they are not to blame for any of the problems, but that there is a problem that needs to be worked out.
My only question is that even though this has been done, how can he walk out on a child that he has raised on his own for so many years, without a thought of love to that child. I would think the emotional costs to the 'father' would also be great.
I do feel sad that so many women have knowingly done this, and I feel for the men  that have been caught in the trap, but I would say, think of the child before making a rash decision that is going to cause such emotional upheavel in the life of the child.
I too believe that the truth should be told, but there is a way to do, that does not put the child on an emotional roller coaster.

Moonsluv
I believe the answer to your question is, "the new wife".
 

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October 29, 2007, 8:44 am PDT

What about the so called dead beat dad's that know their children and threw them away.

Anyway, I would like to elaborate, what about these dead beat dad's that "do know their own biological children," all of a sudden just threw them away.  Just like in my daughter's situation.  The father of my two beautiful grandchildren, 8 and 5 years old, doesn't want anything to do with his own children.  My daughter has never said he couldn't be around his children.  She encourages for him to be with their children, but ever since he met this other woman, she has so "much power over him". And she's very, very jealous over my daughter.  She doesn't "allow" him to see his own children.  I can't believe that he would hurt his own children like this.  Here they have a son, he's about 1 1/2 year old, but the thing is he doesn't know he's the father of this boy, he didn't even put his name on his birth certificate.  And he KNOWS this, but when my daughter had taken him to court to pay for child support, he did get an DNA test on both of his own children.  The test of course came back stating he's the father.  Which he already knew that they were his in the first place.  The reason for the DNA test, he didn't have his ID when his second child was born and he wasn't able to put his name on her birth certicate.  But, he's not going to get an DNA for the little boy.  He's financially taking care of the boy, and doesn't know if he's the father, and doesn't want to be around the children he does "KNOW"!!!!  He refuses to pay child support for his own children.  To me this so called woman (if you want to call her a woman) needs to mind her own business, and it's NOT all about her, and let him see and be with his own children like he was before and pay for his own children.  They need to get an DNA test for the little boy to find out the truth, and if he's not the father, she needs to go after the "biological father" to pay child support and let the "real father" to be in his life. 

 
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