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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 10:59 am PDT

my husband, his son and the child mother

What do you do when the father pays child support and the mother is mad at the father and keeps the child from him? What do you do when the mother files false claim of child abuse, sexual abuse and then blames the stepbrother for molesting his stepbrother also? What do you do when the mother has been told repeatedly by the family law judge that this cannot continue but it does and the mother postpones every courtdate?

Well, this happened to us. Now, we are fighting back and fighting back mad. We are now suing for sole custody of the child. The child has been told to lie on the father and his stepbrother. I really cannot say any more about this until court date comes around. I will be posting another bulletin to let everyone know how it went.

Another thing I want to talk about is an organization that is in West Virginia. It is called MEN AND WOMEN AGAINST DISCRIMINATION. We are trying to pass 4 bills into legislation. It is paternity fraud, 50/50 shared parenting, false claims of abuse, another one about intentionally witholding the child from the other parent. A parent knows if they file these false claims that they will get temporary custody of the child, mostly women. The child will be "molded into what to say". (This happened to us)

 

I would love to see Dr. Phil have this group on his show. Not only does this fraud affect the father and the child, if affects the grandparents that think of that child as their grandchild, the aunts, uncles and cousins who think they are related to this child also. It affects the grandparents who didnt know they had a grandchild and all those missed years. All of this is due to the mother keeping the truth and keeps on telling the lies to cover it all up.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 11:00 am PDT

We women RULE...sometimes sadly.

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     Since the beginning of time women have had an advantage over men when it comes to parenting.A woman always KNOWS a child belongs to her.A  man can only know what he's told.Therefore the greater responsibility belongs to a mother.

You are SOOOO correct. And she can choose to kill her growing child in her body while the baby's father has NO SAY in things.

 

THAT IS WHY men should wait until the benefit of marriage (and be truly in love with the woman) before jumping into bed. There are too many sad realities out there for us human beings! Sadly, often the children pay the ultimate price...death, life w/o a quality father, poverty, etc.

 
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October 29, 2007, 11:04 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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 people have free will. it was his choice to do it when he felt the time was right. it's time to break taboo's in this world. and with change comes a shift to a better place!!
Why is everyone so against the new wife?  His wife cheated and had someone elses baby.  He DESERVES a happy famiy with his new wife.  Just maybe they want to have kids together and are holding off because of finacial dificulties.  The new wife shouldn't have to hold off having childen of her own because the ex is selfish.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:07 am PDT

stepmother not wrong

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There seems to be lots of opinion about the sins of the mother and the horrible response of the "dad" but has any one including Dr. Phil thought to ask why the second wife would even bring up her suspicions regarding paternity with the man she "loved"?  She apparently met him as a man with two daughters and it seems needlessly cruel to me that she decided to even open up the possibility that he was not the biological father.  Was it for love or money? What was she really trying to achieve? She was quite smug in the face of a childs pain and Dr. Phil let her off way to easy! Was there any merit in both taking away the girls father and publicly stamping the scarlett A on the mom?  This step mom personifies the reasons it's so hard to blend a family.  I know that fathers rights have been trampled on by our legal system but this was a horrible example of a way to get "justice".

The new wife did nothing wrong. If you saw that someone you loved was being lied to and mislead to the point at which Maria was doing it, would you not feel it was your responsibility to step in and do something? Maybe it is the money and that is not neccessarily a bad thing. I am a firm believer that when two people get married, it is not a matter of my money and your money. It is our money. So she has a vested interest in the money staying in their home. I didn't hear whether or not the new wife works, but I know I wouldn't want to be out busting my butt everyday earning money that I knew was going to a child that was not my husband's. She did him a favor. And Maria got her dirty laundry aired on national tv. She is the one that should be blamed for whatever harm mentally or otherwise that Selina will suffer. I think the man she thought all this time was her real father loves her more that her sorry excuse for a mother.

 
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October 29, 2007, 11:17 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I have ben watching your show since it started but this is the first time I have ever became angry enough to write.The woman lied and is also a serious charater flaw with the mother. The father was unjustly accused of being a bad father. He made a mistake. The daughter is learning that there are consequences when you have a liar for a mother. I think Moms who lie about paternity should be prosecuted for fraud. It is serious what she has done. I wanted to slap her in the face. I hope and pray that the father wh she knew as dad and her can work out a relationship. Dr. Phil you let the Mom off easy and shame on you for that. You have been my mentor when I counsel women and this show was apalling. I would like to see you do a follow up show. I think the father shouldnt pay money and should visit with the daughter. It is a crime to fraudelently take money under false pretenses and if there are no laws then there should be. I think when a child is born paternity testing should be done if the marriage is over. The lawyers statistics show this is not uncommon and is a huge problem.
I agree - I was flabbergasted at Dr. Phils response to the 'mother'  and the lack of follow-up action.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:19 am PDT

Shame on You

 I have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Cornell with a similar issue. My husband paid child support for two kids that he found out were not his after 7years.  I think its a shame that a woman can name any man as the father and its up to that guy to prove otherwise.  I think before the justice system hounds and track down these men and suspend their licenses they should make sure they are going after the right guy.  My husbands license was suspended in turn he couldn't drive to work we decided that due to the child support payments being behind it was more beneficial for us to take a paternity test before we shelled out $1200.00.  We contacted Mr. Cornell had a sit down meeting and scheduled a test date.  Mom was not cooperative.  We contacted the courts who tells us that they cannot make mom agree to a test it's up to us to prove that he isn't the father.  So the tests are performed, results are in and he is NOT the father of either child.  The results are submitted to the courts.  Were we are then told that those test results were somehow manipulated by us and cannot be used as evidence.  Then the courts order a test at there location and the results are the same, NOT the father.  We finally are then able to get the license reinstated.  But what about the out of pocket expense that we spent to have the initial test done only to have it redone by "the system".  Why wouldn't  "the system" make all parties involved take a paternity test when an order is filed by the mother?  I am all for making the absent parent pay support and be involved whether it's the mom or the dad. But we could elimanate alot of the riff raff if we tested first.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:19 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I don't think the bio should should have to repay the ex-husband because it isn't his fault he never knew. I think the wife should have to repay the ex-husband, since she committed the fraud. I do believe the bio dad should have to pay from the day he finds out forward, but shouldn't have to pay any back support, since the mother CHOSE not to contact him and let him know to begin with like she should have done.

Just something to think about.
I agree with everything else though.

Did the Biological father not know - or not care - Someone else was footing the bill
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:20 am PDT

Poor, Poor Selena

Poor Selena and her sister. Their parents are treating them like a piece of furniture to be tossed between them in their quest to be right.
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:31 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Why is everyone so against the new wife?  His wife cheated and had someone elses baby.  He DESERVES a happy famiy with his new wife.  Just maybe they want to have kids together and are holding off because of finacial dificulties.  The new wife shouldn't have to hold off having childen of her own because the ex is selfish.
i totally agree!! :-)
 
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October 29, 2007, 11:33 am PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I don't think you did a thing wrong. Like I mentioned in another post, as soon as they showed Selina I knew there was no way she was Enrique's child. And I find it hard to believe that someone in their families or circle of friends did not notice that something wasn't totally kosher. If someone had said something to Enriquie years ago a lot of hurt could have been avoided. Selina is young. This will pass and hopefully she will find it in her heart to have a relationship with Enrique if that is indeed what they both want.

You have a wise child. That old saying..."out of the mouths of babes" is so true. I am glad you listened to her. Keep your head up high and God bless you and your family.

amen to that! :-)
 
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