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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 1:41 pm PDT

I totally agree

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Shame !! Shame !! Shame !! on you Maria !

 

Also Gloria Allred I wasn't very pleased with you on Dr Phil's show today either !

I believe in women's rights, But Gloria was SOOOO offensive today she sickened me to watch her! 
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

Amen

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As an ardent feminist I have become increasingly frustrated over the years w/the lack of frank discussion at the fact that some women DO in fact contribute horribly to the various outcomes for children conceived and later involved in either custody or paternity cases. Women who either fraudulently ID men as fathers or intentionally get pregnant and then use children as pawns for more money or revenge MUST suffer consequences in order to at least begin reducing the tragedies.

 

The family court systems are antiquated and continue to favor women... YES -ultimately we must have more concern for the kids BUT let's start leveling the playing field for men so that these issues stop setting the stage for kids to have screwed up futures.

Thank you for your comment here today.  I had said NOTHING about Gloria's comments on this show in my earlier postings as she turned out to be a one-note cause individual and the wrong one at that.  Her complete focus was on a "woman's right" and I'm not sure how that even fit into this discussion today as this man was not the father and had been lied to and manipulated by a cheating spouse.  Sorry, making innocent people pay for another's crime in order to "even the score" doesn't sit well with me.  I would personally continue supporting this young child that I had raised as my own, but making this some kind of woman's right case was totally off-base.

Gloria was far too much like the mother in this case.  No responsibility, but pay up anyhow.  When the other gentleman brought up that many innocent men are being shackled into child support fraudulently, Gloria's only response was "we do what's best for the child" which not only doesn't answer the question at hand by makes her as guilty as this mother in using children as emotional hostages.  She, Gloria, was very quick to point out that further, in her words, "the real issue in society is deadbeat dads" as if this situation and others like it are  not an issue.  For Gloria, as long as we throw the "child's well-being" card out there, then right and wrong never matter and, quite frankly, that doesn't advance women's rights worth a damn and forever portrays women as the victim.  So much for empowerment.
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

Marriage Qualifications

I would like first and foremost to support Dr. Phil. statement that the biological mother of the daughter should be held to the full extent legally, emotionally, socially, financially, and any other relevant dimension to all of this problem. She betrayed her husband twice by cheating on him and by lying about her biological daughter, also she betrayed her daughter by exposing her to a life time lie. She was coward to face her first mistake by cheating on him so she covered her lies with more lies. She must and should face the consequences of her actions of being irresponsible mother and wife which I find difficulty using those two great words in describing her because she is anybody but a mother and a wife.

 

Also I would like to mention that the lawyer position is ridiculous and lawyers are known to twist truth to the best interest of themselves first and to their clients second. So her point of view is not creditable and just to provoke people and draw their attention by arguing the truth as it is not true-maybe to sell her book.

 

For Enrique, I think he was passing through a very difficult emotional trauma and he was not thinking right whcih pushed him to make Selina deal with adult issues and saying he is not her father. She had no guilt whatsoever and she is a victim as Enrique. Morally he could have done a better job but he was not obligated to do so. You can't ask a badly wounded injured person to act as a normal person. We are contradicting ourselves if we ask Enrique to be compassionate towards Selina and not towards himself.

 

I believe marriage qualifications is beyond what most people think of. It should be regulated, as if you are going to drive a car you must have certain skills or you will be denied the right of driving a car and cause damage to yourself and others. Marriage damages most of the time are beyond  repair and recovery.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

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I am a single parent who does not receive child support.  Unfortunately I made a poor choice in judgement in the biological father of my daughter (but when we started dating at 19 I wasn't thinking about kids).  He has spent all but 10 months over the past 7 years in prison. Our daughter will be 6 in January, and I have NEVER received one cent from him, and due to his incarceration, I can not receive one cent.  Yes, the courts have ordered him to pay $50 a month, however, while he is in prison all that $50 does is add up to one big bill he owes me.  When he is not in prison, he will not get a legit job.  His father owns a company and will allow him to work for the while being paid "under the table" so that I can not collect any of his pay.  I am TIRED of this.  Where is the help for us mother's out there that are working 2-3 jobs trying to make ends meet while these so-called fathers are living it up?!  I am blessed to have meet a man almost  2 years ago (we have been dating for 7 months now) who has stepped up to the plate and taken over the father figure roll that has been missing in my daughters life.  I'm thankful for him, but at the same time upset that her biological father has not found it in his heart (or pocket) to take care of his own flesh and blood. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

Parent Trap

 

This is a subject  very close to me..My Husband and his11 yr old daughter.     There is more of this that goes on than people realize.  Women must be held accountable for actions such as these.  Men are very much descriminate against.

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:43 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I can't beleive that fathers can simply stop being a father because the blood is different.  My dad paid childsupport and accecpted me as his child and still does even though he is not blood related.  a father is made a father through his actions and love and that is it!!!  Go see your daughter because you will never get that lost time back!!!!

I disagree. A DAD may be made by actions.  You only have one real father, one biological father and you are stuck with them, no matter how poor of a "dad" they are :).

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:43 pm PDT

10-29 Parent Trap

I can somewhat understand this situation myself. Both Gloria and Enrique are totally wrong and Dr. Phil was correct when he looked at Gloria and said that she caused this whole incident, even though I agree that Enrique didn't handle the situation correctly.

 

I'm a 38 year old female whom this day would like to see my "REAL FATHER" pay to this day.

When I was 10 yrs old my Mother told me that this man was my Dad in which till them I was told that my real Dad had passed 3 months before I was even born. I had 4 other siblings in which the Dad whom had passed was their father and not mine.

This relationship from my Mother and real Father whom had both committed adultry. I in turn collected a Social Security check in which I should of never received because the deceased Dad was NOT my real father and he was the one listed on my birth certificate.

Due to the fact that my Mother and Father had a weekend only relationship and my real Father had two other children in which he and I are the same age, I was completely disowned and to this day I still am.

My real Father never wanted me and he made that perfectly clear my entire life. He mentally, physically and emotionally abused me until I was 20 years old and I moved away due to my Mothers death.

I since tried calling the Social Security administration and tried in every way to tell them that my real Father is alive and I believe that he should pay them back for 18 years of S.S. checks due to my Father was alive and I should of never received the checks. They told me, even though I said I would take a DNA that they had no such law and could go after him.

My Mother passed when I was 20 and yes I fault her for this also, at lease my Mother told me because I was told for years by my father that my Mother should of never told me and that was the rule that she had crossed.

I feel that the real parent needs to pay for their own children and this is all there is to it. In my opinion there should be no acception to the rule in this law. No real parent should get off under no circumstances.

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 1:43 pm PDT

I wonder what law "I" can break ??

A man should NOT have to pay for a child that is NOT his. How dare this happen in America. Especially with DNA. What the HELL good is DNA if it isn't used to protect and what the Hell good is a law if it isn't obeyed ? It reminds me of all the illegals coming into this country, criminals profiting from the crimes they commit with books and movies , etc. 

 

It seems that laws just don't matter anymore. If it's not your child. Pay anyway. If it's not your country come here and get everything for free. For the children, etc. If you commit a crime write a book.

 

 All the "PROFESSIONALS" have lost their mind. Professionals aren't  "taught" anything in college to get their degree, their brainwashed to get their degree and that  just DOESN'T fly with people much. When they say it's all about the CHILDREN that tugs at everyones hearts and they know that.

 

If it's NOT about the money and the father and child now have an emotional tie. Prove it by making the mother pay the support back and let the "father" continue being a "father" for FREE.

 

If it's all about the children how about you professionals footing the bill for my grandchildren whose father was burned really bad several years ago and they need financial help. For my GRANDCHILDREN ?

 

Of course this won't be mentioned or even addressed because that would put a mark on your WONDERFUL reputations.

 

I think Gloria Allred listens to herself way too much and is DUMBING DOWN as she ages ?

 

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October 29, 2007, 1:44 pm PDT

the new wife

while I do not advocate all the lying that has occured here I do feel that the motives of the new wife were unbelievably selfish!!!---it seems the more money she saw being paid out from her household the more she planted the idea into her husband's head and then led him down the DNA road by his nose without any thought at all at what this may do to the life of an innocent child.----IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY---CONGRATULATIONS!!!---YOU WON!!--THE TRUTH IS OUT---THE REAL PRICE? THAT REJECTION OF A BEAUTIFUL CHILD!!--GOOD FOR YOU!
 
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October 29, 2007, 1:44 pm PDT

different view

I feel a DNA test should be done during every birth.  Not for financial reasons but health reasons for the future.  I feel that men that do pay child support should be given receipts for what they money goes for.  The money is for the CHILD not the MOTHER. 

 
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