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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

Women like this give GOOD women a bad name

This is CRAZY!!!! I can't believe they are coming down sooooo hard on the father. Unless you've been  in this situation you can't possiably  know what  what he felt  when he found out the the  Selina  wasn't his.  The woman should go the jail, or at least lose your rights as a parent.  He didn't cause this situation, SHE did! Throughout the whole show it seemed like everyone was attacking him. HE'S NOT HER FATHER! And Gloria should learn when to SHUT her mouth! She was only on the promote her stupid book. I'm saddened by the way Dr. Phil handled the situation. What would he do if he found out Robin cheated on him and gave birth to a child that wasn't his. NOT THAT I'M SAYING SHE DID! The emotions that come with that relization is overwhelming. HE'S A HUMAN BEING, therefore he's NOT PERFECT! I am a single mother, my son's father does not pay child support but I wouldn't expect someone who wasn't his father to pay for his finanical security. That mother laughed and smiled throughout that interview. THE WHOLE AUDIENCE agreed with the father. That woman is a lier and a cheat. Her new husband should watch out. I would love to talk to her if even foe a moment to say HOW DARE YOU! YOU messed up this child. You ruined her out look on people and her trust. I'm SOOOOOO angry, women like this are the reason men deny their paternity. The only thng I can trust is karma, and she will get what she deserves in the end. To the father I state, stay strong! Selina will come around, and she will want a relationship with you, I truly believe that the views a 13 year has is from her mother. The lier, cheater!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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Is the fact that Enrique will constantly be reminded of his wife's infidelity every time he sees that child. Everyone is attacking Enrique for abandoning her, but the fact is, she is a visual reminder--not like a song, or a scent, an actual living reminder of being lied to and made a fool of. I don't believe very many of us could stand in the face of that and love unconditionally. You would want to do the right thing, but that's the kind of generosity of spirit that regular humans struggle with.
Are you kidding? SHE is a living, breathing, lovely young lady whom he loved for 10 years. How dare you trivialize her existence that way. What are you thinking?
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

i think dr. phill should do onther show on this topic

dr phil i think you need to do anther show on this topic and other topics regarding child support laws because what happend to this man just is not right and i dont think he should have to pay child support for a child that is not his. but just to put another spin on things i am a father that pays his child support and was kind of thinking that i got a raw deal when i went to court the judge that did my case just was so unfair he did not care if i had enough money to pay any of my bills but what if i was to get sick he would try to put me in jail if i did not pay my support on time and they take more than half of what i make i agree that people should pay support but it should be on a fair bacis hope you read  this e-mail dr phil thank you .
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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If you did you woulndn't sit there and let these 2 women decide your feature.  When MiMi or Mia or whatever her name is said that it wasn't your child you should have just said yes she is end of story.  But if I had a child and found out it wasn't mine after 9 years I would never let that effect my relationship with them.  Especially over money.  If that is all your worried about then you don't have a heart or soul.  JUst because your new wife doesn't care about your kids and only cares about the money doesn't mean you have to stop loving them.. Maybe you should grow some balls and tell her to stay out of your relationship with them if she doesn't like them.As a single mother it is understood you come with the children but when they come only on the weekend and as a financial resonsbility it is easier to disclaim them.  If your sinificant other would not have said anything and loved your child the way you should have been everyone would still be happy.  Who cares if her mother made a mistake 10 years ago is money really more important than i child?  To a money grubber like Mia it is probably so!

No one should be  happy living a lie -the truth could have come out when Selina was having a medical condition that would have endangered her life and  the truth would come out then, when is there a perfect time to uncover a lie.

 

 - balls or no balls - what a strange statement....  (single mother too)

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

What about the real father?

I found it surprising that it took the Carnell guy to say something about the true father of this girl. This isn't the first story like this that I've heard about. It always seems as though the true biological father is able to live free of responsibility while someone else pays for his child.

 

I think Gloria Allred made a good point when she pointed out that they're not doing what's best for the child. However, she's a complete moron to take the mother's side. That mother is a lying narcissist who obviously believes she's above any wrongdoing. She lied. It's as simple as that. Yes, both parents hurt this child, but the mother is more to blame. As the second wife kept pointing out, she was the one who lied from the beginning.

 

Furthermore, if keeping a relationship with this girl as a father figure is what's best for her, then by all means he should. Why should he pay her mother for that relationship though? He's no different than any other non-relative man (like a preacher, youth pastor, coach, etc). No one would dream of "charging" those types of people to have a relationship with her (which is, essentially what that child support is all about: he's paying for a relationship).

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:09 pm PDT

Pay for choices

What an absolutely heartbreaking mess!  This show ought to be required viewing for every young person in high school to show what the long term effects of  deceit and promiscuity eventually lead to.  The lesson here is clear:  when mistakes are made and covered up, they just lead to more mistakes and bad choices.

Even if the mother had never been found out, the lie was still there and had to have affected her  relationships to the other members of her family.

Taking the "easy way out " of a bad situation rarely works. And that goes for both parents.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:09 pm PDT

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Dear Dr.Phil

 

I watched your show about the father that had abounded  the 10 year old girl that he thought was his for ten year. As I watched this program I had many emotions, sadness, anger, just to mention a few.

 

I was really surprised with the arrogance shown by the mother. She was just as much to blame, if not more, for the child's confusion and hurt . Nothing was said about the father of the child ,or if the wife has tried to contact him to let him know he has a child.

I was angry at the mother for deceiving the man she was suppose to have loved for so many years. I feel the mother of the girl has a greater responsibly in hurting the child then the man that thought he was her  father.

I agree that the the husband should have handled the situation differently concerning telling his "daughter."

I do not agree that the husband should pay support for the child because the child is not his.  He was admittedly lied to and manipulated by this women .

The father should not have discarded his "daughter" so quick.

I feel the husband should charge his  ex wife with fraud because that is what is was.

I was surprised that you and the lawyers  did not say more to the ex wive about her lies and infidelity. I felt like slapping the smug look off  the ex wife's face.  She did not show any remorse, nor did she take any of the blame for the whole situation.

If I was the man I would talk to the girl and tell her he is sorry for the way he handled it. I am sure she would forgive him as long as the mother doesn't spoil her mind.

If I was her current husband I would be very carefully that the same thing doesn't happen to him.

When I watch your show I sometimes wonder what our world is coming to.

Then we wonder why our children are so mixed up. If the government and the parents that are in charge of the world and the children cannot get it right,  and cannot give the children a Strong foundation it is no wonder the children of today are the way they are. They are only living what they see.

 I will pray for the girl and hope  that the greed of the mother and the failer of the father will not affect any aspect of her life.

 

Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion.

Rose

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:09 pm PDT

The child is all that matters

The mother was obviously in the wrong for having an affair and then not being honest about the possibility of the child not being Enrique's, however Enrique raised this child from birth and she looked at him as her father.  She had nothing to do with what her Mother did but she is paying the price for it and Enrique is making her pay the price.  What they should have thought about before ever talking to the child about it was think about the long term consequences of what this would do to her.  Especially him abandoning her.  That is one of the most horrible things you can do to a girl next to being sexually abused.  It strips so much away from her and if she doesn't get thing right kind of help and fast she is going to have a long road ahead of her dealing with this and not even realizing it.  I speak from experience on being abandoned by a father....the money should not have been an issue and if it had to be then let the parents fight over it with out involving the child. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:09 pm PDT

The father trap

I am so upset with the way these trifling  women are  playing  this game with  the kids and men and think it's ok.  Then try to play victim when truth finally does come out.  But by then it to late because the child has to deal with the emotional feeling of who am I.  And the man having his rights taken away from him.  Then  he consider the monster  if he wants to leave or stop paying  child support.  And everyone look at him like how come you didn't t know, why did you get a test sooner.    I know this because it was a part of my life.  My husband has a 16 year old daughter and 1 year ago we found out she was not his.  But 11 years ago when he asked his ex if she really was his daughter because he started hearing  rumors that she may not have been, the ex threaten to take her( the daughter) away and he wouldn't see her again. So he let it go.  Now the daughter heard about rumor and found the man that is her bio-father.  And the first thing her mother says is that he should have known and it's not her fault.  So now his daughter is blaming my husband for it now  too.  This make no since.  Because every woman that has had a child knows when she got pregnant, knows who she was with and knows that possibility of if there is more then one possible father.  But they decide that I'll pick this man and hopefully he will be the one or so in love with the  child that he won't care.  And i don't care what that lady attorney says this does go on  a lot. And it won't stop until these women are held  responsible for their actions, for their lies.  Something  has to be done.  Because then it does take the focus off the real dead beat father that know the kids are their that just don;t want to pay child support or spend time with their kids.  We are held responsible for lying on our taxes, job applications , or  any other kinds of forms. Why can these women keep getting  away with lying on  these kids birth certificates that will  follow them for the  rest of their lives.  So the same way the  law goes after the  man, it should start going after these women. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:09 pm PDT

Think about it!

I understand that the child's feelings should come first.  But think about this scenario.  If the biological father found out that this was his long lost child that he had no idea existed, then decided to come foreward and try to have a relationship with the child, he wouldnt be able to do so.  Because legally the courts wouldnt allow it.

 

If your dad wasnt your father, wouldnt you want to know?  I know I would.

 
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