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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:18 pm PDT

Trapped into Child Support

If I were a Court Judge, I would deny any DNA test if, for one day in the life of the baby, the father had acted as the responsible father.  If he had ever held the baby as his own, for the next 18 years he should be responsible. The baby deserves two parents, emotionally, physically, and financially.  I think DNA tests should not be considered in these cases, unless it is in the best interest of the child.  There is definitely a place for DNA testing, but not to contend the future of an innocent child.  Ignorance is bliss in this case.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

The Law, or so they say!

One thing I noticed during this whole process was the fact that the "father" in question was pointed out as being the one concerned with the Child Support. And yet the mother, who was so worried about her daughter never once said "Ok tell ya what I want what is best for my daughter, keep your money and stay away!" I will say the "Father" in this case did make several mistakes in the way he handled himself and the whole issue.

 

As for the famous Female attorney, lol she never addressed a single issue. She stumbled around the issue, talking about the child. Never once, that i saw cited a Legal point! The male attorney sitting in the audiance had more to say about the law than the one on the stage.

 

No man, or woman should have to pay support for a child that is not theirs, unless they agree to it in court. 

 

Our judicial system is broken when it comes to this issue, as well as many others. And needs to be fixed!

 

Just a suggestion, but why not test for paturnaty upon birth. They baby gets all kinds of shots, as well as other blood checks. Make it a law that upon birth a child is tested for relationship to said childs parents! Then this 30% nation wide issue would not happen.

 

Just my thoughts

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

Agree with attorney comment

Quote From: cdkayaker2003

Well it was interesting today until you brought the mouth Attourney on. She was so wrong, but she sure was a very loud person. The mother was totally wrong. I think she should have to pay the acting father all the money that he paid. Women have trapped men for many years. I am a women, a mother of two grown daughters, and have been with the father of both girls for almost 30 years. The mother is scum, and give mothers a bad name.

Candi D

Wisconsin

Totally agree that this attorney was a loud mouth that should not have been on this show.  She has her own agenda!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

Crap

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Hmmm...what I believe is that women like Maria are afraid to tell the men that their child isn't theirs, because they are afraid that he is going to leave her, & her family, & that's what I can understand on. It also happened with Frankie & Gwen a few weeks ago (just titled "Frankie & Gwen"). I also have to say that women like her aren't evil creatures. True, what she did was wrong, but probably has a good reason, & that women do bad things just as the men, but they're definitely not evil. No matter what bad things they have done, I would never degrade women, like calling them awful names & such, because they're totally disrespectful. I also think that the man should continue to be in her life, just because he's been in her life for so long. If I was in the man's situation, I would continue to be there for the child, & support him/her. Should DNA matter? Absolutely not.

That is a bunch of garbage.  She duped him for ten years then goes on national television to show how cunning she is???  He should be able to sue her to get his money back.  I will agree that the man should have handled the situation differently.  He should continue to count her as his child but not

have to be required to pay child support, especially since they were not still a united family at that

time.  "The Gloria" showed her butt by trying to railroad the conversation and tried many times to

stiffle the man who had been victimized in the very same way.  If, as she said, the money is not important, LET HER PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT.  I feel all she really wanted to do in the first place is to be on television...to keep herself in the spotlight..... and to hawk, or have Dr. Phil, hawk her book.

 

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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

Paternity Fraud is a Crime!!!

It is real and way too common!! I personally know at least 2 women that have dupped their husbands or boyfriends. The system is disgusting and child support is NEVER done in "the best interest of the child" it is decided with the best interest of the government that collects dollar for dollar.

Men who father children are not criminals anymore than the irresponsible women who have a choice whether or not bring them into the world. There should be clear laws in place protecting men and children from paternity fraud...not too mention there should be reproductive rights for men in place as well!

I do not believe that men should be  forced to finance a womens reproductive choice!

 Step up ladies its time we accept responsiblity for ourselves!!!! ~Sarah (MA)

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

Common sense solution

I just don't understand why it all has to be so complicated. The parents should have handled it this way - Find professional help to best handle the issue of educating the child as to the truth, (she has a right to know). Dad continues to be Dad to the girl in every way with the exception of court ordered child support. Mom takes responsibility for her actions by reimbursing Dad for the 10 years of financial fraud she dealt him. Dad can continue to financially support his daughter at his discretion. He can take her out for meals, entertainment, clothing, or provide for her education. Whatever he chooses. The fact of the matter is that he'd probably do all those things willingly if the courts had enough common sense to hand down decisions that actually possessed some level of moral principal.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

Parent trap

Okay, so Enrique was duped and the mother should have been honest a long time ago but like Dr. Phil said, there are numerous issues here, one of which is the child and the emotional damage that has been done by the way things were handled.  No one can back up the truck on what should have happened like the mother should have been honest etc.  Deal with what is here and now.  If Enrique is any kind of man/father/person, he should be willing to continue to care for Selena and consider that he has been her father for 10 years, whether legally or biologically, he is her father.  However, I do agree, that he should not have to be financially responsible for her since finding out he is not her bio-father (although legally he may still have to be) but that should have nothing to do with his emotional responsibility to her.  And again, if he was any kind of a man/father/person, the money shouldn't matter in the first place. 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

own it

Dr Phill

You talk about owning it. The Mother is responsible for this mess. As long as people keep massing the situation with the kids, this problem will continue. The mother should be made to repay some part of the the child support back, make her find the real father and tell him. As long as she gets away with it, it will continue to happen. As you seen on the show she kept a smile on her face, because she knows that nothings going to happen to her, yes he should have handle it different. If you found  out that your son wasn't yours and your wife knew, you wouldn't just Oh! I will just continue to paying and pretend that nothing was wrong and she should pay. I have a friend that her mother did the same thing, but didn't tell until child support was over, believe it are not they joke about it, and she turn around and did the same thing to her child. So please Dr Phill say more than he is a victim, try saying she rape him, when it is all said and done, she should suffer some. Yes I know the kid is important, but if you don't punish the mother it will continue...

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

Outraged

I could not believe what I was hearing ~ come on, their is no way a man should have to pay for a child that is not his. Unless of course he chooses to. Women who lie or better yet who fail to reveal that they had an affair should be held responsible for their decisions not the man. They are the ones who are emotionally hurting both the child and the man and should be ordered to pay back the money!

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:19 pm PDT

Greg Sinicropi

Dr. Phil, I watched your show today, which this is the show I assume that your staff had interviewed a very good friend of mine from Michigan to potentially be on your show.  I do not know why you stopped persuing him being on your show.  I can only think that what was going on with him and his paternity issue just wasn't going to make good TV.  Dr. Phil, normally, I agree with most all of what you say.  But here, a very dear friend of mine found out when his son was at the age of 5 that he was the father.   The mother was married, and assumed that her (at the time) soon to be husband was the father.  As time passed by, it was obvious that my friend was indeed the father, and the man she married was not.  My friend holds no Ill will against the natural mother...but has fought and fought through the state of Michigan just to have rights...ANY rights to his son.  I agree this is a horrible situation all the way around...but the court not only took away custody from the natural mother, but gave custody to the "named father" on the birth certificate...and then the Michigan court system had the audacity to order my friend to pay support....but gave him ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS TO HIS BIOLOGICAL SON. 

You tell me how that is fair?  You tell me how ANYONE can justify such a decision.  The cold hard reality is, there is not a proper system in place in our country to address these ongoing issues...you said the child was important...you are right....but I am sorry, justification of forcing a father to pay for a child that is not biologically his IS NOT RIGHT.  It is also not right for a man to cut that child out of his life IF a bond has been formed....

But, answer how a biological father should not have rights to be a part of his sons life...but be ordered to pay support and have the court tell him "sorry buddy, your s.o.l." 

(and on a side note, here is a man who is WILLING to pay and be a father, when there are MANY fathers who do not accept responsibility financially for their children...and the court does not inforce ANYTHING.  I myself have a situation where the father of my children owe me over 20,000...my oldest son is 7, and my daughter is 5.  I have had to file bankrupsy, and my children have gone without for YEARS.  What does the court do?  Nothing!!!!!

I know certain reality must not make good tv, but fairly address the injustice that does go on in this country!

 
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