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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

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it is sad that a man has to pay without knowledge of the truth.what is even more sad is the world has always been about women being a victim and saying a man should pay anyway.i have custody of my oldest son and even if it were said i was not the father i would fight to protect him from where he came from.

if there were a simply a jail time punishment for women committing this fraud it would make men feel better about things.

i do think a child should not know that mom lied but sometimes it is painful and it hurts grown men to women have a freedom we don't.make a punishment with a time limit once the lie is discovered and maybe a woman can be more honest before a child reaches an age in which it is to much for them to handle.

THE MAN SHOULD BE LEFT WITH A CHOICE I WOULD HOPE THEY CHOOSE TO HELP THE CHILD

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

Gosh Lady!

I have A real problem with all the talk of child support. Woman it's your mess you clean it up

I think it is 100% her fault he is not in the child's life....Get off your high horse throw the child

support out the window and let the man have a relationship with his daughter....IF they choose to do so!

NO ONE SHOULD BE TRICKED INTO A LIFE LONG COMMITMENT WITH A CHILD! DUDE this is wrong! AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER CHILD? AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES A PROBLEM HERE?? SHE FEELS LIKE SHE CAN'T BE CLOSE TO HER FATHER BECAUSE BY DOING SO MIGHT HURT HER LITTLE SISTER? THIS MAN CAN'T FIX THESE PROBLEMS ....WOMAN YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

parent trap

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Now days, a man should automatically have paternity tests done, no matter the situation. My son is 19. When he has children I myself will take the child to have dna tests done, so my son does not have to go through what so many other men do. If he chooses to raise the child as his own, I will support him 100%.

I think paternity should be established at birth, this would prevent women from lying.

it;s ashame that chidren are being put in these painful situations.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

Parent Trap

While researching family roots and helping others do the same.  I have found individuals that have this same problem.  She should know who her father is and if at all possible make contact with him while he is still living.  If she was not told, and someone later in life tells her or tells her descendants, they are absolutely lost on who their ancestors are.  They do not have a straw on who they descended from. 

He did the right thing by telling her, and one day many moons from now she will understand. At this moment she seems to be more upset with him than with her mother, the liar.  So mother is influencing the girls.

The truth is a good foundation to begin with. The young girl should be told to respect the man that has taken care of her all these years, and consider his feelings.  She is old enough to know, and this can be a good lesson for her not to pull the same stunt on her husband later in life.  I wish all concerned the best.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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1. Women cheats on man who loves and trusts her and puts unsuspecting husband at risk of disease....
2. Women tricks man into supporting a child that's not his for 18 years....costing him, how much money?
3. Women claims this man is a horrible person BUT, oh yeah, he makes more money than the bio dad (I bet you ANYTHING, I'll place my life on that because we all know what this type of low life women is after) and his money IS GOOD enough...but he does not get to see child?
4. The bio dad, is, WHERE in all this?
5. Man finds out after 10 years that his entire marriage and relationship was based on lies and cheating and he's supposed to be happy about it and not have any feelings of hurt?
6. The burden of the lie is placed in this poor child and unsuspecting man? This could go on forever, it just SO WRONG IN EVERY WAY!!!

How can this women live with herself? She has serious MENTAL problems and anyone who would do this to their own children and then FORCE the poor man to pay child support is VERY CRUEL!

Not to mention the SYSTEM itself is akin to "rape". It takes something that would normally be reasonably pleasurable and turns it into a nightmare.  I truly believe that most parents want to support their children. It's a completely different situation when it's forced upon a person. You feel violated and powerless and can be violated on a whim if you dare speak up to her X. You see your children at their convenience unless you are lucky enough to have an order for visitation. That part of a break up isn't covered by any pro-bono system if one parent refuses. Therefore, the ONLY thing the "system" is set up for is collecting money, not helping parents have access to their children.

 

Again, descriptions of rape seems an appropriate metaphor.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

Some things are better left unsaid

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No one should be  happy living a lie -the truth could have come out when Selina was having a medical condition that would have endangered her life and  the truth would come out then, when is there a perfect time to uncover a lie.

 

 - balls or no balls - what a strange statement....  (single mother too)

I feel that the new wife, should of minded her business. Why was she comparing the way the child looked, compared to him anyway... I feel that it was all about the money and my heart goes out to the child..

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

 

As Dr. Phil said during the program, “No matter how flat you make the pancake it still has two sides.” Enrique just up and left his kid after ten years of her life, however, their lack of communication and his wife’s dishonesty inevitably led them to the problem in the first place. It may have turned out differently if she did not cheat and lie, and just said from the beginning that the child was not his. 

  

It all, eventually, comes down to her; she slept around and is now paying the price. She has an emotionally crippled child and the spite of her x-husband. Enrique will probably make steps to repair the bonds with his daughter as he should.  

  

They are both sickening people for all they did to there kid but what ever happened to the biological father? He knocked up a married woman and got away scot-free. He and only he should be paying child support for, what is his actual daughter. He abandons that little girl even more so than Enrique. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

 These women should be held accountable for more than just repaying all the child support these men paid out.  This should also be considered a crime. Even if only for the lives that they ruin. My first thoughts are for the children but I have to feel something for the guys that go years thinking that thier bloodline is going to be carried on and it not. I think that Gloria should go to the nearest bar and order up a double shot of reality.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

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 I am a father of a beautiful 2 year old daughter. I feel that for a woman to lie to a man about being the biological father of a child, which in actuality he isn't,  is just the most despicable thing a woman could possibly do to a man. (A real man who takes care of his responsibilities). I understand that women need to protect themselves and things of that nature however this is just wrong. Not only do you rob money from a man but the biological father doesn't even get the chance to know that he has a child. All in all the child is the one that suffers. But as a father this is devastating.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:27 pm PDT

Scammed and made to pay child support

I don't see why a man should be REQUIRED to pay child support for a child when it is discovered years later that the child is not yours.  I do think however, that it is AWFUL that a FATHER would intentionally decide to withdraw from that child.  Your love for the child SHOULD override the fact that they aren't biologically yours.  I would think that you would want to continue a relationship, and a loving mother would also want that for their child. Even though I don't think that you should be required BY LAW to pay child support, I would think that you would WANT to help that child through their childhood years.  Why not tell the mom that you would like to take her to buy her a new outfit sometime.  Or, when they start to drive, tell the child that you would like to buy gas for their car a couple of  times a month.  Yes, in the long run, it may help out the person that scammed you, but does that matter if you LOVE the child?  Grown ups need to GROW UP and get past the desire to hurt the one that hurt you. 
 
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