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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:32 pm PDT

Cordel Smith

I am wondering if the Cordel Smith, that appeared on the show today, is a former student at Clovis High

School, Clovis, NM.  If so, a former teacher wants to congratulate him.  He is a handsome young man and as an alumn, is a credit to our school.  mrobinson

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:32 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I so agree. I did not mean to leave them out of the eqaution. With the availability of birth control, there should be no unplanned pregnancies. I know that sometimes there is a failure of some methods due to drug interaction. That happened to a sister-in-law of mine. But at least they were using something. This ridiculous "hooking up" with no protection not only leads to situations like on this show today, it leads to death.
I just wanted to clear up your statement... "With the availability of birth control, there should be no unplanned pregnancies"--I partly agree. I agree that there should be FEWER unplanned pregnancies but they will never completely cease because there is no birth control out there that is100%. Abstinence is the only sure way to avoid pregnancy and STD's. There is a failure rate for ALL birth controls and not just due to drug interactions.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:32 pm PDT

What's the Price

I am really saddened that a price tag has been put on a child.  I understand Enrique's hurt, anger, and frustration over this situation but I think he should have taken a higher road.  He could have acknowledged he is not the biological father of Selina without putting a price on the child.  His main focus seemed to be about the money before it was about the deception of being the father.  This man is hurt, and hurt deeply.  In his hurt, he responded by hurting another innocent person.  I do believe Selina should have been told that Enrique is not her biological father but it should have been in a situation where the child's position with the father was made safe.  Enrique should have told Selina that he had some very sad news to tell her but that the news does not change his love for her and that nothing could ever stop his love for her.  Instead, he put a price tag on her as a daughter, a child, a human.  He might as well have told her, "You are not worth x-amount of money a month to me because you are not really mine."  My concern for Selina is that she may go through relationships wondering if she will ultimately be rejected if some secret is revealed about her.  Children need to know that life isn't always the perfect picture we paint in our minds, but every child also needs to know their unconditional worth.  If Enrique had taken this higher road, he would be the one Selina turns to, trusts, confides in, and sticks up for.  Instead, she does these things for that woman who put this child and man in this place to begin with.  That woman is the one who is guilty of betrayal.  So, what's the price of an innocent child?  To Enrique, it is obviously the dollar figure he writes on the "Amount" line every month on his check.  That woman doesn't even deserve a comment.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:32 pm PDT

worthless mothers

I have never in my life been so angry as to watch these mothers minipulate the judicial system. My husband has an ex that does the same things. She has four children by four different men. For some unknown reason she has chosen my husband and my husband only to pay child support. The fathers of the three other children have been identified, but they don't have to pay child support. She draws disability from the state and now her new husband is doing the same. So she is sitting at home on her lazy a** while my husband and I work full time jobs. Now to top it off, she is trying to keep my husband (and me and his half brother and sister) from seeing him. When paternity was established and child support was set, the judge refused to set visitation for my husband, he said it wasn't his problem. sick of this bullsh**! Please help
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:33 pm PDT

Poor Child

I think that the mother of this child started the whole mess and shouldn't be acting like it was all her ex-husband's doing...however, the ex-husband was so wrong for just kicking that poor child out of his life like that...and if she never wants to see him again, then that should be her choice.  He should not have to pay child support on her, though.  If the mom wants the money for her, she needs to find her biological father and get him to pay.  The ex-husband's new wife, Mia, needs to stay out of it...as does the new husband of the mother.  They just need to love the children the way step-parents should.

Gloria Allred is just a loud talker.  Carnell Smith was right on the money.  Men who are told they are the father by their wives and have no reason to think she was cheating are total victims when they find out that the child is not theirs!  They should not be responsible for child support even if they raised that child from birth for 5, 10, 15, etc. years.

I just had a baby 4 months ago, and everybody has their opinion on who she looks like me or my husband...some people say she has my nose other people say she has my husband's nose...the same goes for her eyes, etc.  I feel like babies look like who you imagine them to look like, everyone has their own opinion...and unless it is a clear cut skin color difference or something that obvious nobody is going to question the paternity if the mother says a certain man is the father.

Bottom Line:  The father that raised the child should still love the child and treat that child as their own, but should not be financially responsible if the couple divorces.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:33 pm PDT

What kind of father does that?

What a sad story.  This man thought of and raised this child as his own.  That should be all that matters.  If he was a real man, he would have told his new wife to butt out.  Money is actually more important to him than his daughter?  I don't believe this man would have ever done this if his new wife had minded her own business.  Raising this child as his own for 11 years and loving and cherishing her as he must have, I can't believe he would drop her just like that.  Doesn't he miss her?  Did the love for her just stop because she did not have his DNA?  This child should have been all that mattered.  Yes, the mother was wrong.  But that is water under the bridge.  What should have been done is what was best for this young girl.  That should clearly have been to leave things as they were.  He is an adult - deal with it and move on.  I see his new wife as the problem.  All for money.  How sick.  I have watched my daughters be slowly abandoned by their father who also has a new wife who has been behind much of it.  I could care less about him or his wife, but I hurt every day for my two daughters who have not had a father figure in their life.  I have been taken to court by this man for six years - all because he wants no part in supporting them.  What are we doing to our children, all in the name of money? 
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:33 pm PDT

Parent Trap

The truth is the mother probably did not know for sure who the father was but to protect her daughter so the daughter had a father she did not seek out to find out the truth.  The new wife pointed out because she could care less about the children involved and wanted the extra money!  If I were the little girl I would not want Enrique for my father as what he did was way worse than what the mother did.  Enrique did that to the child who was innocent because he did not have the balls to stand up to his current wife to tell her to mind her own business nor did he have the balls to stand up to his ex wife, he could only stand up to an innocent child, that is sick!!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:33 pm PDT

16 yrs back support

My brother in law apparently had a child & it took 16 years for him to find out.  He & my sister dated in high school, broke up, got with other people and the they got back together and got married out of high school.  This girl Diane, whom my brother in law saw during this time, never once mentioned she was pregnant,  married another man who supported the daughter for 16 years & then they got divorced.  My sister & her husband were shocked to receive a DNA request in the mail from an attorney - he is 99% the father.  Then on to a big legal battle to determine child support.  Diane wanted him to pay all 16 years of back support, but the judge only made them pay (through the court system) the last few years & then upwards of her turning 18 & help with college.  Needless to say, Diane was out for money - having had another man support her daughter for 16 years & then sueing my brother in law for 16 years support.  It caused a little turmoil for my sister & her husband & was very confusing for their children to learn they had a sibling they knew nothing about, as we are a close knit family.  The daughter is now of legal age, and married - she really doesn't have alot to do with her biological father, they don't know how to communicate, but they do have a relationship that they are working on.  She is very close to my sister however & my niece & nephew.  To make matters more confusing, my brother in law comes from a more dysfunctional family than my own & his entire family knew about the child & lied to him this entire time.  Needless to say his relationship is more strained now than ever.  Personally I think Diane should go to jail for fraud & pay back child support & shame on her for lying to her daughter.

 

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:33 pm PDT

What's with these women?

The women who tell a man  that he's the father of their child when they aren't sure should be ashamed.  They should say he MIGHT  be the father of the child & do a DNA test. Instead they lie & say he IS the father of the child in order to collect child support.  Maybe they should be punished when it comes to light that they lied.  Maybe they wouldn't be so quick to lie about it if they knew they had to suffer the consiquences. Instead, a man is emotionally & finanacially trapped into a relationship not to mention what the child suffers when he/she finds out.  It seems to me that the person who lied gets off scot-freeor with a slap on the wrist.  Meanwhile, the man is expected to live with the finanacial responsiblity of the lie for his whole life.  Why not hold the liar more responsible?
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:33 pm PDT

Responsiblity

 I was extremely disturbed that the mother in parent trap, Maria did not seem to be held accountable for the pain that she had perpetuated in this horrible mess.  I feel that if she knew that Enrique was going to test himself that she should have taken the iniative and explained things to her daughter.  Although I do not believe that Enrique handled it well.  The young women in this family have to make sense of this mess.  I am sure that the older sister has endured a lot of pain and heartache over this mess also.  How does she feel about her mother and father? 

I do feel that mothers need to be responsible to themselves and their children.  What about the biological father of this child?  How can he begin a relationship with his daughter at age 13.  I think that both parents need to be responsible to their children's lives, whether they remain together or not.  The children are paying the price in this country.  I am the executive director of a residential crisis pregnancy center and I get to see the destruction of family dynamics and the affects on the young women in our society every day.  The young women I come in contact usually have no male role models in their lives, let alone good male role models. 

 
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