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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:34 pm PDT

Oh Grow Up Dad!

Irregardless of biology or deception, you broke that little girl's heart.  You acted immaturely. 

 

I have a friend who had exactly the same situation, did the paternity test for his own knowledge and DID NOT TELL the child.  The child was then 13, and is now 16.  He is his father, he loves the child, and DNA does not change that bond.  He acted as an adult who is a caretaker of a child should act...it is not the child's fault and when adults act like adolescents and refuse responsibility, children get hurt.  He still does visitation, includes this child in family pictures and did not tell any other member of his family except for the child's mother and his current wife.  If only there were more "Grown Ups" like that in the world.

 

For PARENT TRAP:  Shame on the mother, but even more...SHAME ON the "FATHER".  Grow up!

 

 

 

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October 29, 2007, 2:34 pm PDT

parent trap

I agree that Enrique should have gone about things dfferently. As far as the child is concerned, he is her father.  At the same time, he should not be held responsibe for child support unless he knew from the beginning the child was not his and chose to except her anyway.  We are dealng with  a similar problem.  My daughter met a person ( I can't call him a man because he doesn't know how to act like one) while pregnant with another man's chlld.  He knew all about it (even before we did!).  He was in the delivery room, picked out the name for the baby and said he wanted to be called "Daddy".  After a year or two, he(with his daddy by his side) asked my husband for her hand in marriage.  He was reminded then that she didn't  come alone.  That was OK.  After about 7 years, he finally agreed to a date and they got married.  Two and a half years latter, he announces ( after she catches him in an affair) that he has been miserable for the last 12 years.  Kicks her and her daughter out of the house, moves his new girlfriend in.  Over the past two years since this has started, he refuses to pay any support, has threatened to take custody of my granddaughter yet has rarely seen her.  He has asked my granddaughter not to call him at the house because the girlfriend might answer and she has told my granddaughter not to call him anymore on other occasions.  In my eyes, these are the men who should be held responsible for other mens children. They chose to in the beginning.  At this time my daughter just wants to get her divorce over with.  Unfotunately, her attorney has not done anything for her except take our money.  She can't even get him to return phone calls.  She has talked to others, but can't afford to start over.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:34 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: juanitaandsam

It is sad that something like this can actually happen in this day and time.  We are in the same boat.   My husband found out after 14 years of raising his son that he was not the father (his son is now 18).  Even though he was hurt and upset at the mother, it didn't change his relationship with his son, he still lives with us to this day and doesn't want anything to do with his real mom.  The issue was never about money, it's about the child's right to know who their real relatives are.  To this day we still don't know who his father is and according to her she will take it to her grave.  It's a shame that it seems our children have no rights, our government has no laws in place to protect people from this injustice.  Right now the son in this matter is suffering, he had a right to know who his real father is.
is there any way that your son can sue the mother to find out who the real father is?
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

thank you

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I cannot believe that anyone wouldn't see this as fraud!  HOW COULD THIS MAN HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN THAT HIS WIFE WAS CHEATING WITHOUT HER ADMITTANCE? 

I am in full support of the fact that he should not have handled the child the way he did.  However, I see no reason he should be financially responsible for her unless he chooses to be.  The mother should be held liable for finding the biological father...the one who should be responsible!

 

 

Also let me add, there is a Father out there somewhere that has no idea he has a child.  Who is to say whether or not he wants to meet his daughter!

This woman is unbelievable!  It is people like her that make men afraid of good women!

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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

Indeed

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well what about women who r court ordered to pay child support and never do pay a dime and they get away with that legally.     Why is this?  Everyone wants to jump on the man but who ever gets on the ladies that dont pay there support?
Its a fact, from the US Department of Health and Human Services, Office of
Income Security Policy, that 79.6% of custodial mothers get support awards,
but only 29.9% of custodial fathers do.
Not only that, but a greater proportion of non custodial mothers fail to pay what
they are ordered to pay, than non custodial mothers. Not only that, but even the
NY Times reported that, almost all non paid support is due to a lack of ability to pay.
"When Child Support is Due, Even The Poor Find Little Mercy", Feb 19, 2005.
- About 70 percent of the debt is owed by men who earn $10,000 a year or less,
or have no recorded wage earnings at all, according to the Federal Office of Child
Support Enforcement. Less than 4 percent is owed by men with incomes of
more than $40,000.-
Wheres the outrage about that 49.7% of kids who are allowed to be unsupported
by their *dead beat moms* ? Uh huh.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

Women/Feminists want the system to support them (Even when they abuse the system)

     The woman lied to the husband and used the system to gain financial support for 13 years.  The mother  now wants the man to continue to pay for the child even though the mother has total control of the child and since he is not the biological father can deny him access to the child.  -- (The girl being over 13 often limits the amount of time parents spend as they become more independent anyway...) 

     The man that raised and supported this child for 13 years did not/does not intend for the child to suffer, but just as in the case of divorce, the child will suffer.  Forcing a man that is not the father to pay child support for a child that is not his rewards the actions of the mother.  Child support is paid to the mother, not the child.  A father has no way of insuring that the mother provides for the child with the money that he pays.

     Doesn't the natural father of the child have the right to know that he has a child?  Doesn't he have any obligation to support the child that he fathered?  Too often children are "used" to provide money to the custodial parent to improve their standard of living while the child received little for the amount of money paid...  and as noted by others, the concern here (as often is the case) is about money...  nothing else. 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

More!

We need more shows like this!  It affects everyone.  Debates on ethics vs. the system.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

This is crazy!!!!!!

This has to be one of the most selfish people that I have ever seen. Not one person has thought about this child!!!!! The "father" hasn't thought about her feeling, and the mother seems to only worry about how much money she will or will not get. I was raised by a single mother, and my father was a sorry excuse for a father. He hasn't ever paid child support, that I know of, and there was a lot of things that I missed out on in life because we didn't have the money. I know the importance of men paying their child support, but if he is not the father, then he should not be forced to pay for another man's child. If he wanted the relationship that a father should have and wanted to take care of her in every way then that says a lot about him. I personally do not think very much about any of the people on that stage, except Dr.Phil, and I feel so sorry for this girl because she has to feel so alone. I know I did. I do commend the man that would like to adopt her, and if that happened then, there would be no reason to fuss about child support. I really hope that they get help, and get the child in counseling. That what I think. Thanks for letting me sound off!!!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I have two wonderful sons.  When I got pregrant with my first son my ex-husband and I were not married

and we had broke up but were still haveing sex.  I was seeing someone else and so was he we were not dishonest with each other.  When we worked everything out we decide, which ends up being a bad decision on both parts, to get married right after I found out I was pregrant and I told him the baby may not be his.  H said he didn't care and married me anyway when the baby was born he refused to have a test done.  He was a great father to both of our boys until we divorced when the oldest was two and the baby was about six months.  After a year of fighting in court he then decided he wanted a test done and the judge denialed his request stating that he knew what was going on when the baby was born and he put his name on the brith certificate.  He nows doesn't see either child but pays his child support.  He has seen his kids in 10 years and me and the boys are doing just fine with out him around.  I do apperiate the child support and it is helping me and the boys while I go to school to make a better life for me and my children.

Your situation was not intentionally and you did not deceived him. He made his choice then changed his mind. Much different from the woman on the show. Good for you in bettering yourself.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

Child Support/DNA

It is my personal opinion that what needs to be done is that when a child is born, a DNA TEST needs to be done showing that the person is in deed the Father before his name can be placed on the Birth Certificate. This would save future drama to the child, and save Hundreds of Thousands of Tax Payer money for future DNA Testing, Court Issues, ect.

 
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