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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:35 pm PDT

Go after the biological fathers and the mothers!

Where is the responsibility of the mother?  I don't know any where else in the law where a person is allowed and sometimes even encouraged to break the law, commit perjury and then be rewarded financially for it.  The last I heard if you commit perjury it is punishable by jail time.

 

Dr. Phil, there is some moral responsibility for the father and yes he could have handled it better how he broke the news, but to continue to have to pay when the biological father who done the deed gets off scott free, that's injustice.

 

I believe that they should get counceling for the family and persue the biological father for his debt.  The LAW IS WRONG!  Men's lives are destroyed sometimes because of these "legal lies!"

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

Real father?

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It is sad that something like this can actually happen in this day and time.  We are in the same boat.   My husband found out after 14 years of raising his son that he was not the father (his son is now 18).  Even though he was hurt and upset at the mother, it didn't change his relationship with his son, he still lives with us to this day and doesn't want anything to do with his real mom.  The issue was never about money, it's about the child's right to know who their real relatives are.  To this day we still don't know who his father is and according to her she will take it to her grave.  It's a shame that it seems our children have no rights, our government has no laws in place to protect people from this injustice.  Right now the son in this matter is suffering, he had a right to know who his real father is.

Your husband is the REAL father.  end of story.  Biology has nothing to do with paternity.

 

Remind your son that he is so lucky to have a great father who loves and cares about him unconditionally.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

All about money...

For this mother, it is all about the cash at this point. She came out and stated that she is totally against reunification between her daughter and her ex but still feels he should pay? RIDICULOUS!!!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

Gloria's words a waste of air.

Gloria was soo the partial lawyer who had already picked her side.  She starts out by slamming the guy and how much damage he has done to the child. She never ever addresses the woman's side of things.  When people don't buy that she whiches to another topic "Deadbeat dads", people don't buy that she switches to the "poor kids".  Never once, does she ever address the woman.

 

Dr. Phil,if you brought her on to defend the woman, you did her a grave disservice, because Gloria Allred's creditibility is in shreds. Not many of your audience will buy her book.  Please don't bring her back on the show, as a "expert witness" her creditibility is now zero.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

i agree

This could have been my husband and his ex-wife up there.  She led him to believe he was father to his oldest.  He went to every doctor vist, cut his cord at birth and took care of him.  She was cheating on him the entire w/ a previous boyfriend. (The son was born 10 months after my husband and his ex-wife's wedding).  He paid child support for 18 years, the whole time she told every one in town that he was not the father.  The really sad part was, the previous boyfriend moved back in.  Not only was my husband paying for another man's child, his ex-wife was now back with the real father, getting child support from my husband.  My husband never said a word to his son (he still considers him his son, although the son feels my husband wasn't around enough). She never complied with the courts visitation.  He paid but never saw his children.  My husband has never recovered from this emotionally and never will. Our counselor said his ex-wife committed parental alienation.His "son" feels that my husband didn't do enough with him.  WHEN WILL MOTHERS BE HELD REPSPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS! We decided we would never pursue this because we have 2 children together and its not worth the turmoil it would cause them.  IT JUST HURTS WHEN THAT SON THINKS HIS MOTHER WALKS ON WATER!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

Been there

I am a parent that went through this, the difference was my husband knew the children wern't his but he still made the choice to marry me and accept them as his own. He even put his name on there birth certs. and for 12 years he was there father. Untill he decided to cheat and I told him to get out. Then they were no longer his children and he refused to pay support. He just like the father in this story told my children that he wasn't there father without me present. It destroyed my children. All because he didn't want to pay support. Even tho it was our decission to raise them as if he was there father he made the choice to give them his name. But when i moved on he no longer wanted to pay then told my children it was my fault. I totally understand how this child feels because my children are living with it. I no longer have a relationship with my only daughter and my boys don't listen to me. I didn't have a choice but to allow him to see the kids because of how he twisted there heads and so i wouldnt come out looking like the bad guy he won. He sees them every weekend and out of 5 kids he only pays support for 2 and if I bring it up he threatens to no pay for any of them. Not all men are the victims but some do chose to act like victims and they dont care what it does to the children.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

Parent Trap

I have never used this message board until today. I could not help but to want to write in. What in the HELL was this woman thinking. She cheated on her husband, never even bother to tell him and then surprise SHE'S NOT YOURS. I know that the child should always comes but what about the man who was cheated.

The mother should be held liable all the way!!!!!! She does not even seem like she is sorry for what she did. Does she even know who the real father is - and is she looking for him. The child has a right to know who her bilogical father is.

HELL NO!!!! I don't think that he should have to pay child support - it's not his fault.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

Get with it people

There are so many issues that can come up from this.  My dad paid the money, but I didn't see him.  Sometimes time is more valuable than money.  You should see the issues my brother has for not having his dad in his life.  Fathers are more than just a sperm identity.  Every case is different.  If the man who was wronged had a high paying job or won the lottery, would he pay then?..since he was the key father of the two.  The other man is wronged as well for not getting his time.  I think there is a law that even if the child is not the woman's husband, he is still responsible for any children born to them, because he is married to her. In the State of MN If you are living with and not married to the father of your child, you can not get child support from them.  In my case I ended up supporting the father as well.  Why can't I get reimbursed for that?  We ended up getting married he lost his job again and stuck me with all his premarriital debt.  He now pays $100.00 a month child support, but was almost put in jail for not paying it.  I wish I could say he wasn't the real father and I cheated on him, that way he would go away.  Unfortunately the DNA would make me a liar, I didn't cheat when we were dating.  His time with our daughter is an entire new Dr. Phil show.......

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

Legal Vs What's Right

Quote From: hmccarty1218

I am a law student, I have worked and studied in the family law field I have delt with paternity and child support on many levels.  The point that was missed is that the most important thing is the child and the court knows this.  So after the first two years if the father has not challeged paternity (even if for good reason) the childs interests become more important than the fathers.  This is because the court acknowledges that a child is helpless in this situation and deserves to have the life it would have if it had a full and functioning family, and this includes the same financial support.  The courts assume that adults have the ability to see this and understand that yes there is injustice but that child should not be punished for the mistakes of adults around them.  Therefore the states primary interest is in the child.  However, if another father biological or not steps up and claims that they will care for a pay for that child then they can and will be allowed to take over the payments and to care for the child, but that father has to come forward, the courts do not have the resources to track down every childs biologocal father. The only possible solution to this is to require DNA tests on all babies when they are born, but then there would be an outcry of constitutional violations, this is why it is an option everytime a baby is born the parents can opt to have a DNA test but it is not required because this would be unconstitutional.  So in the end the main point is that the court sees THE CHILD AS NUMBER 1 priority, and their interests come first.

 

Enrique should make it his mission to change this ridiculous law. Yes the child should always be priority one, but this is over the top. That this woman, who is nothing more than an adulterous, lying, thief, should profit because of an intention to protect children is sickening.

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"The only possible solution to this is to require DNA tests on all babies when they are born, but then there would be an outcry of constitutional violations, this is why it is an option everytime a baby is born the parents can opt to have a DNA test but it is not required because this would be unconstitutional."

All I can say is, In My Opinion, and with no proof to the contrary, the ACLU has contributed greatly to the demise of our society. It started out as a good intention, but we all know what the road to hell is paved with don't we? It is completely out of control and I believe it needs to be dismantled and rights addressed on individual cases and needs. We actually live in a society wherein a psychotic can decide not to take the medication that may prevent him from murdering his mother, or wandering the streets starving, lest we infringe on his right to choose whether or not he wants to take the medication. Maybe if the morons that thought that was a good idea had to take him home with them and make sure his decisions did not result in harm to anyone things would be different.

I know my opinions are inflammatory and I believe the notion that it's ok to trick a man and child into believing they are biologically related and then giggle as they suffer and I cash his checks should be just as inflammatory if not moreso.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

YOU DESERVE TO BE CALLED A MAN AND FATHER

Quote From: whitewolf490

I can relate 100% to this show. I was told I was the father of a daughter from my ex-wife which was later discovered that I was not.

I have always kept in touch with all 4 children and have always been there for all 4, which the other 3 I knew from the start were not mine, but they still call me Dad. I call them regularly, send birthday/christmas cards/presents and also help with school supplies and such as I need to to be there as much as I can. They also have made comments of coming to live with me.

The lawyers can talk all they want about LAW, but the states also have to step up there responsibility with holding the mother responsible, finding the men they slept with, finding the father and holding the actual fathers responsible financially to support their children. My ex-wife has had total trouble with Colorado state on keeping on the actual fathers of the 4 children with getting child support and is always told that the state can't do anything. The states want to hold a man responsible to pay money for a child that is not his, but yet do not want to take the steps necessary to find the actual father. And then also not hold the mother responsible when she does not want to give names of possible fathers and continue to pursue an easy avenue on men that have done the right thing and continue to have contact with the child that they thought was theirs.

 

Bravo!  You are the kind of man I would have been proud to call a son.  It doesn't matter who made the child but who contributes emotionally to the life of the child.  You need to write to the so-called father on today's show and tell him what it means to be a man and a father.

 

LRRJOY

 
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