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Topic : 12/25 Parent Trap

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Created on : Friday, October 26, 2007, 02:49:00 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/29/07) Fraud. lies. conspiracy. They may sound like the latest Washington scandal, but these are allegations of exes at war over child support. Dr. Phil's guests claim they became victims of the perfect crime when they were led to believe they fathered a child that was not biologically their own and were forced to pay. First up, Enrique says he was shocked and angered to discover he was not the father of his youngest daughter, Selina, and that she was conceived during his ex-wife, Maria's, adulterous affair. Maria says he raised Selina but then abandoned her to save money. Why does Maria say Enrique's current wife is to blame for the fractured relationship? Next, 13-year-old Selina speaks one on one with Dr. Phil. Will she decide to let the man she once called Daddy back in her life? Then, Carnell Smith, who uses the online moniker, "Man4Justice," suffered a similar fate to Enrique, and but he fought and won. He says he's tired of seeing women trap men and get away with it. A heated debate ensues between him and feminist attorney, Gloria Allred, who argues that men like Enrique should continue to act as the father ... and continue paying! Talk about the show here.


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October 29, 2007, 2:36 pm PDT

Gloria Alred

Enrique should have left the child out of it and continued visits.  However, he shouldn't have to pay child support for a child that is not his. 

The most prominent thing I learned was to not ever hire Gloria Alred as my attorney.  I pray I will never need anyone like her for legal counsel.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:37 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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why did'nt they mention anything about the biological father. He might want to take up were the other father left off.  
HA HA HA!
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:38 pm PDT

women using sex and children

Dr. Phil: I am a women and what women do to men is totally unfair. I have one son age 28 and two daughters, one 27 with two children, the other 21 and in the Navy. The first thing I would like to say is that the 27 year old married a man this year who was told by his ex-girlfriend that they had two children together, after they parted this young man met my daughter and they started dating and moved in together, (way to fast if you ask me). The girlfriend was so upset that one weekend she blurred out in anger that Seth the now 7 year old boy, and the girl Kritsen now eight year old girl were not his children. When he asked for a DNA test she refused. When he asked the state they refused without the mother's conscent. He found a place were he could pay for a private test $400.00 per child. The boy turned out to be his child and the gril turned out to not be his child. Shaun the father of this boy has now had custody of his son for the past three years. The lawyer told him that he had to break all ties with the little girl. Shaun's mother was angry that Shaun broke ties with the little girl because she has only known Shaun as the father all these years. My thoughts are that my husband and I are now helping cloth, put shoes on all three children, helping with boy scout dues, the whole nine yards, while Shaun's mother just runs her mouth, and contributes nothing to the program. Why should Shaun pay for another man's baby (child) because the mother was a lair. Now let me state this, I should not use such harsh words, because the mother while out doing her drugs and drinking two weeks ago, was in a car accident with her sister, the mother Stacey was on life support for two weeks. Today Kristen, Seth, and yes there is another boy older than these two being raise by yet another father, duried their mother today. Now Shaun's mother will really have her two cents to throw in about Shaun and my daughter raising this little girl who does not know her father, and last week they contacted the real father and he stated that he was willing to sign off on the girl, whatever it took. What a mess for all that are involved, but my husband and I are just drained there is no more money that I can give, not only money but the amount of child care I gave, so both kids could hold down jobs and care for there three boys, (did I say that Shaun and Chrissy had a htrid child three years ago named Trenton). You tell me is this fair to make another man responsible for a woman's lies. Yet let me throw in this just to boot, my daughter in the Navy claims that 27 women showed up pregnant just so they did not have to be deployed, I wonder what type of woman does that, and how many men will be lied to yet again. Patti
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:38 pm PDT

He didnt know she was fooling around on him???

What about the father who didnt get to raise his daughter? What if he wanted a family and she lied to him to? What if he started a family after his breakup. Got married had a bunch of kids, only to find out he has another one to. His wife is going to hate him atleast for a while. She may never forgive him. He will never be able to replace the fingerprint her presumed dad has left on her. He wont have a chance to be her dad. She wont call him dad she wont look at him like hes her dad. It should be on her for being a liar. Yes both men have been frauded of a different life they may have had. Coming from one who is going thru the same thing right now. I feel robbed of her love and the love I could have given. Its fraud and its been going on for ever.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:38 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I agree, the woman is at an advantage because she knows the child is hers, barring any switched at birth scenario. However, a man can never be 100% sure without a paternity test. This is why a paternity test should be done on mother, child and potential father before they leave the hospital and before a birth certificate is issued. This would mean women aren't able to trap a man into the father and provider role unless he really is the father.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:38 pm PDT

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I think the entire thing is rediculous. The mother should be ashamed of herself! Unfortunately its the child that ends up getting hurt the most, however i could only imagine how devistating it must have been to find out that the women you loved betray your trust, and duped you into fathering a child that was concieved during an affair. The biological father should be hunted down and made aware that he has a child. The biological father should be held financially responsible. However the man who raised the child should be held emotionally responsible for the child. Meaning he should continue to love and care for the child emotionally, but should NOT be held financially responsible.

How rediculous is this notion to begin with. Why should someone be punished for anothers descretions. If you cheat and become pregnant, you owe it to your spouse and yourself to be honest from the beginning. But more so you OWE IT TO YOUR CHILD to tell the truth! No matter how ashamed or guilty you feel, it can only get worse when the truth reaches the surface. And by then its too late!

You know what? I can not help feeling sorry for the  The biological father too. What if this man became unable to father children after this for some reason? It seems a great crime to keep this from him. My X (while having an affair) convinced me to get "fixed".  Then questions were raised when I caught her cheating about it not being the first time. I am simply too afraid to get tests done. I can't afford to have the procedure reversed (and it's not even close to 100% reversable anyway, i think it's 50% to 60%?). But deep down inside, I know I would want to have more children if I found out my son or daughter was not my biological child. I would love them no less, but I would still want to have more children too.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:39 pm PDT

a "father" is not equal to a "dad"

OK. Lets say up front that the mom was completely wrong for what she did, now that we have that out of the way. I know that her ex-husband was hurt but his anger was so misguided that I couldnt believe it.

Be grown about it when there are children involved. You dont have 2 be  biologically conected to be a MOM OR DAD. It takes Love and nothing more.  I started dating my husband when the kids were almost 2 & 5

Their biological  "Father" was never a "Dad" He chose insted to be and act  in a way that was fitting to him.

and was only around for a hot minute......That really hurt the oldest. He didnt get it for a long time but as the years have passed both of the kids call my husband "Dad" because he is the MAN (I use that term only with respect to the real meaning) who has raised them with love,protection, and guidance in life.

When they do speak of the person who walked away, which is not often. He is refered to by the name given to him by his mother. So you see the Mom in the parent trap case was wrong, but the girl who was left behind by the person she honored enough to call Dad, well $$$$ cant fix what he did when he left her.

WAY 2 GO!!!

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:39 pm PDT

Thank you

Quote From: sharonbrokit

It takes more than a sperm doner to make a father. If, after 10 years of being "Daddy", it comes down to a matter of money -- he had to be a lousy father anyway. Yes, Mom was wrong in not telling him if there was a question of paternity but he is more wrong now because he "pretended" to care for 10 years and sold out for a dollar. His new wife should not be involved! Shame on all of them for bringing a so-called father-daughter relation down to child support.

 

Anyone can be a father but it takes a real man to be a father.

THANK YOU I was starting to think I was the only one thinking that way and honnestly it was making me furious.
 
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October 29, 2007, 2:39 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

I have a great idea. Put the "child support" money they are fighting over now in to a trust fund for the child.

 

Let the mother "pay back or return" the child support from the last 10 years the non-bioloical father paid. However, this money should not really go to this biological father, but should  be put into a trust fund for Salina's college. It is too bad this happened, but we are where we are. The child is the real #1 victim, although the biological father was the first victim, but is now the 2nd due to the child moving up to the priority victim. An awful situation.

 

I agree the  mother did wrong when the baby was conceived, but the father did an awful thing to another human being. So he and the wicked mother should make an agreement to give that money to the child (because the father is feeling really hurt and the mother doesn't want to lose the money). Then money issue is over. Find and file on the real father. In the mean time, this biological father and child should be in each others lives.

 
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October 29, 2007, 2:39 pm PDT

What a sad situation

 I can not understand how we as adults can be so careless with the emotional well being of a child.  The mother was wrong, so wrong, to put her daughter in this position.  The mother was selfish and immoral in her decisions from the moment that she decided to have an affair to the deception of the paternity of her child.  As for the father, while I agree that he was deceived, this little girl believed that this man was her father since the moment she was born.  There is no way that you justify raising a child for 10 years and take them to a park and say that you can no longer be their father.  While I do not think that he should pay child support he has a certain emotional obligation to that little girl regardless of the situation.  He should be a man, not take out the betrayal of his ex-wife on a child and feel fortunate that he was given this beautiful person to be a part of his life.  As for the Ex-wife, she should be ashamed that she has put her daughter in this position.  She should discontinue her pursuit of child support and  encourage a relationship between her child and the man that raised her.

 
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